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<blockquote data-quote="Farmwife" data-source="post: 366164" data-attributes="member: 8617"><p>I missed a bit of the other posts you mentioned.</p><p> </p><p>Just some random thoughts though...</p><p> </p><p>If you suspect he is a danger to self or others you can have him hospitalized for observation and stabilization. That is pretty standard in the (limited) mental health system.</p><p> </p><p>Since the court seems to lack an appropriate alternative anyway it shouldn't be hard to negotiate this with the prosecutor or the judge or just make the call to the hospital to pick him up as he is released. You have sufficient proof at this point to show his behavior. He was obvioulsy violent and aggresive but the bb gun thing shows a potentially life threatening lapse in judgment. He could have been shot which shows a clear danger to self as well.</p><p> </p><p>If he is suffering from a mental illness the safest and best thing for his long term health is to get him the help, especially when he is easy to "grab". Ultimately his hospital stay will be to medicate and get under control if they feel it is warranted. It buys time and takes the edge off of the current episode. In the end it is still up to the individual to decide they want help, want to get better and to accept what is offered. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them think...</p><p> </p><p>I had to have my ex hospitalized twice. Both times the police took him and I had to fill out some legal papers at the hospital. He opted to cooperate but had he not the hospital would have proceeded with court orders to make him stay until he was stable. In our case the hospital put a rush on state medical care coverage because he had none and he got discharged with a case worker and much needed resources. For some reason a lot of states can push through red tape when these sorts of situations pop up in case expense is a worry for you.</p><p> </p><p>Finally, on a personal level my Mom had to call me in when I was first diagnosed with bi polar. I hated her for it and wouldn't talk to her at first. I thought I was fine. A couple medications and a month later and I was seeing more of reality and less of my rage. I also learned that she did what was best for me and did it out of love even though I hated her at the time. I got over it real quick once I got well and saw just what a fool I had been to lead to being taken in.</p><p> </p><p>As a survivor of several types of dysfunctional and abusive realtionships I learned one thing. You get the treatment you allow yourself to take. If you never establish boundaries no one knows what lines not to cross. </p><p> </p><p>I felt such a sense of relief when my ex was hospitalized. I was a little sad and worried but for the first time in a long time I slept well. No worries of him hurting himself or vanishing to end up goodness knows where on the street from his confusion. No worries of him raging at me or "going off" for mysterious reasons. I knew he was safe and it totally overshadowed any feelings of guilt or worry over him not liking what I did. I hadn't felt peace in years...</p><p> </p><p>Due to his paranoia he never trusted me again and we had a bitter parting. I also know that today he is well and happy because of the painful sacrifice I made to save him. When we parted I did so knowing he had the help lined up that he needed, his medications got rid of his homicidal and suicidal ideation. My marriage ended but I saved the life of a very old friend. Hard times but I wouldn't go back and change a thing.</p><p> </p><p>Tough love...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Farmwife, post: 366164, member: 8617"] I missed a bit of the other posts you mentioned. Just some random thoughts though... If you suspect he is a danger to self or others you can have him hospitalized for observation and stabilization. That is pretty standard in the (limited) mental health system. Since the court seems to lack an appropriate alternative anyway it shouldn't be hard to negotiate this with the prosecutor or the judge or just make the call to the hospital to pick him up as he is released. You have sufficient proof at this point to show his behavior. He was obvioulsy violent and aggresive but the bb gun thing shows a potentially life threatening lapse in judgment. He could have been shot which shows a clear danger to self as well. If he is suffering from a mental illness the safest and best thing for his long term health is to get him the help, especially when he is easy to "grab". Ultimately his hospital stay will be to medicate and get under control if they feel it is warranted. It buys time and takes the edge off of the current episode. In the end it is still up to the individual to decide they want help, want to get better and to accept what is offered. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them think... I had to have my ex hospitalized twice. Both times the police took him and I had to fill out some legal papers at the hospital. He opted to cooperate but had he not the hospital would have proceeded with court orders to make him stay until he was stable. In our case the hospital put a rush on state medical care coverage because he had none and he got discharged with a case worker and much needed resources. For some reason a lot of states can push through red tape when these sorts of situations pop up in case expense is a worry for you. Finally, on a personal level my Mom had to call me in when I was first diagnosed with bi polar. I hated her for it and wouldn't talk to her at first. I thought I was fine. A couple medications and a month later and I was seeing more of reality and less of my rage. I also learned that she did what was best for me and did it out of love even though I hated her at the time. I got over it real quick once I got well and saw just what a fool I had been to lead to being taken in. As a survivor of several types of dysfunctional and abusive realtionships I learned one thing. You get the treatment you allow yourself to take. If you never establish boundaries no one knows what lines not to cross. I felt such a sense of relief when my ex was hospitalized. I was a little sad and worried but for the first time in a long time I slept well. No worries of him hurting himself or vanishing to end up goodness knows where on the street from his confusion. No worries of him raging at me or "going off" for mysterious reasons. I knew he was safe and it totally overshadowed any feelings of guilt or worry over him not liking what I did. I hadn't felt peace in years... Due to his paranoia he never trusted me again and we had a bitter parting. I also know that today he is well and happy because of the painful sacrifice I made to save him. When we parted I did so knowing he had the help lined up that he needed, his medications got rid of his homicidal and suicidal ideation. My marriage ended but I saved the life of a very old friend. Hard times but I wouldn't go back and change a thing. Tough love... [/QUOTE]
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