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Your boy sounds extremely similar to my own at that age. I’m in Canada...don’t know of any wilderness programs and likely couldn’t afford it if I did. My son is almost 17 now. Getting him to a psychiatric assessment would end up in a physical altercation between he and I. He’s not interested in solving any of his issues. He doesn’t even admit any wrong-doing of any sort. There were issues at a younger age - even at 8 or 9 he was causing us endless grief on a daily basis - but like your son, he had the ability to be very charming outside of his relations at home. None of his teachers ever indicated any big issues or anything. So I wrote off his behavior as a “phase” that he would grow out of. By 12 or 13 he was spending 3 or 4 nights a week at friends places and he was going to parties he found on instagram in seedy areas of town. Incredibly risky stuff. But if we tried to intervene, the shitstorm that would result was unimaginable! He literally does not back down. Never. We’d end up having these horrid screaming rage fests that would go on and on and just keep ramping up. The only way to dial it back down would be to back off and basically let him do whatever he wanted. Our household became his to rule...a 12 year old tyrant. We ended up divorcing and he lives with me basically because I can handle him a bit better than my ex wife, but at any moment I know things can come unglued.

<blockquote data-quote="CDN_DAD_in_tough" data-source="post: 733698" data-attributes="member: 21175"><p>Your boy sounds extremely similar to my own at that age.&nbsp; I’m in Canada...don’t know of any wilderness programs and likely couldn’t afford it if I did.&nbsp; My son is almost 17 now.&nbsp; Getting him to a psychiatric assessment would end up in a physical altercation between he and I.&nbsp; He’s not interested in solving any of his issues.&nbsp; He doesn’t even admit any wrong-doing of any sort.&nbsp; There were issues at a younger age - even at 8 or 9 he was causing us endless grief on a daily basis - but like your son, he had the ability to be very charming outside of his relations at home.&nbsp; None of his teachers ever indicated any big issues or anything.&nbsp; So I wrote off his behavior as a “phase” that he would grow out of.&nbsp; By 12 or 13 he was spending 3 or 4 nights a week at friends places and he was going to parties he found on instagram in seedy areas of town.&nbsp; Incredibly risky stuff.&nbsp; But if we tried to intervene, the shitstorm that would result was unimaginable!&nbsp; He literally does not back down.&nbsp; Never.&nbsp; We’d end up having these horrid screaming rage fests that would go on and on and just keep ramping up.&nbsp; The only way to dial it back down would be to back off and basically let him do whatever he wanted.&nbsp; Our household became his to rule...a 12 year old tyrant.&nbsp; We ended up divorcing and he lives with me basically because I can handle him a bit better than my ex wife, but at any moment I know things can come unglued.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="CDN_DAD_in_tough, post: 733698, member: 21175"] Your boy sounds extremely similar to my own at that age. I’m in Canada...don’t know of any wilderness programs and likely couldn’t afford it if I did. My son is almost 17 now. Getting him to a psychiatric assessment would end up in a physical altercation between he and I. He’s not interested in solving any of his issues. He doesn’t even admit any wrong-doing of any sort. There were issues at a younger age - even at 8 or 9 he was causing us endless grief on a daily basis - but like your son, he had the ability to be very charming outside of his relations at home. None of his teachers ever indicated any big issues or anything. So I wrote off his behavior as a “phase” that he would grow out of. By 12 or 13 he was spending 3 or 4 nights a week at friends places and he was going to parties he found on instagram in seedy areas of town. Incredibly risky stuff. But if we tried to intervene, the shitstorm that would result was unimaginable! He literally does not back down. Never. We’d end up having these horrid screaming rage fests that would go on and on and just keep ramping up. The only way to dial it back down would be to back off and basically let him do whatever he wanted. Our household became his to rule...a 12 year old tyrant. We ended up divorcing and he lives with me basically because I can handle him a bit better than my ex wife, but at any moment I know things can come unglued. [/QUOTE]

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