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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 442756" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>I have always found the position that punishes the victim as well as the aggressor to be stupid and mean and unjust. in my opinion the one who initiates the fight shoudl be punished and the other one not. I do think that taunting someone until they take a swat at you should count, but situations like this one where difficult child was just sitting there minding his own business and the other kid came to him and started punching should NOT result in difficult child's punishment. If the Department of Juvenile Justice worker got between them, well, that is her fault and whomever trained her to do that's fault. NOT your son's. Now I am ALL for our kids taking the consequences of their actions, but this is stupid to me. </p><p></p><p>I am sorry that he has to go through this, and at least some of the guards know he had no choice.</p><p></p><p>Have any of you heard of the book ," In defense of flogging"? The author says we should consider bringing back flogging as a punishment for crimes. It would cut the costs of prisons hugely, esp for minor crimes. His point wasn't so much that flogging is better but that prisons are HORRIBLE and do NOTHING but serve as universities for criminal behavior. Things like this make me think it might be an idea. My dad was ll for swats for jr high kids. The kids know the consequences, they are immediate, not negotiable, not disfiguring when done properly (no holes in the boards, not out to truly hurt a person), and they don't leave you in limbo for days or weeks where kids figure they may as well do whatever they want - they won't get any different punishment. I don't know that I agree completely, but there MUST be something we can figure out that is better than jail.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 442756, member: 1233"] I have always found the position that punishes the victim as well as the aggressor to be stupid and mean and unjust. in my opinion the one who initiates the fight shoudl be punished and the other one not. I do think that taunting someone until they take a swat at you should count, but situations like this one where difficult child was just sitting there minding his own business and the other kid came to him and started punching should NOT result in difficult child's punishment. If the Department of Juvenile Justice worker got between them, well, that is her fault and whomever trained her to do that's fault. NOT your son's. Now I am ALL for our kids taking the consequences of their actions, but this is stupid to me. I am sorry that he has to go through this, and at least some of the guards know he had no choice. Have any of you heard of the book ," In defense of flogging"? The author says we should consider bringing back flogging as a punishment for crimes. It would cut the costs of prisons hugely, esp for minor crimes. His point wasn't so much that flogging is better but that prisons are HORRIBLE and do NOTHING but serve as universities for criminal behavior. Things like this make me think it might be an idea. My dad was ll for swats for jr high kids. The kids know the consequences, they are immediate, not negotiable, not disfiguring when done properly (no holes in the boards, not out to truly hurt a person), and they don't leave you in limbo for days or weeks where kids figure they may as well do whatever they want - they won't get any different punishment. I don't know that I agree completely, but there MUST be something we can figure out that is better than jail. [/QUOTE]
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