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Good Grief! Police sprayed 8 yr old with pepperspray in the classroom!
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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 418963" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>Of course, Suz. Goes without saying.</p><p></p><p>I will point out, though (not just for you Suz, but for everyone) that there are cultural differences between us here. Whether it's good or not, I can't say. But our Aussie police have only just been issued with tasers in NSW (about a year ago or so) and otherwise, they are a prohibited weapon. Because of our stricter weapons laws to you guys, the chance of something like this happening is reduced here. Not the police response so much, but the chance of someone (especially a small kid) having anything that would constitute a weapon. it does happen, we have stabbings in schools, but it's newsworthy here if a kid brings a knife to school. As for a gun - I can't remember the last time a kid brought a gun to school. Years. Longer. Just about te only people to have guns here are farmers, security guards or criminals. And because gun crime is so rare, it's a lot easier for our police to trace weapons. The haystacks are smaller.</p><p></p><p>But anyone selling a taser to a kid, or the parents of that kid, would be in HUGE trouble here.</p><p></p><p>When the NSW police minister was trying to 'sell' us on the idea of arming our cops with tasers, he set up a demonstration in NSW Parliament House. This was on the news etc but actually was itself against the law - Parliament House is supposed to be a weapons-free zone, and to discharge a taser was the same as discharging a gun, as far as our laws are concerned. </p><p></p><p>So you can see that my take on the use of force against a minor is likely to be far more conservative, because here the picture is different.</p><p></p><p>On that front - there was a story on Aussie media a week or so ago, an 'inside scoop' about Oprah in Australia. Apparently even while she was smiling broadly and yelling, "I LOVE AUSTRALIA!!" her eyes were scanning this way and that for 'crazies'. The thing is - we don't have them here, not in these sort of circumstances. But it's a cultural thing again. It really takes a lot for people who come here to realise just how safe Aussie crowds are. We do have hassles with papparazzi, but your average Aussie mob is actually very peaceful and safe. We have frequent large crowd events with few arrests. Mardi Gras; NYE - we used to have problems, but we're really good at putting these on with minimal hassles these days. You really can bring your family (with little kids) out to a large night-time crowd event and feel safe.</p><p></p><p>So given our environment is different, I'm likely to have a stronger, and different, view to a lot of you in matters like this.</p><p></p><p>But Suz - no offence taken, or intended. OK? It's important for either of us to feel free to express differing opinions.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 418963, member: 1991"] Of course, Suz. Goes without saying. I will point out, though (not just for you Suz, but for everyone) that there are cultural differences between us here. Whether it's good or not, I can't say. But our Aussie police have only just been issued with tasers in NSW (about a year ago or so) and otherwise, they are a prohibited weapon. Because of our stricter weapons laws to you guys, the chance of something like this happening is reduced here. Not the police response so much, but the chance of someone (especially a small kid) having anything that would constitute a weapon. it does happen, we have stabbings in schools, but it's newsworthy here if a kid brings a knife to school. As for a gun - I can't remember the last time a kid brought a gun to school. Years. Longer. Just about te only people to have guns here are farmers, security guards or criminals. And because gun crime is so rare, it's a lot easier for our police to trace weapons. The haystacks are smaller. But anyone selling a taser to a kid, or the parents of that kid, would be in HUGE trouble here. When the NSW police minister was trying to 'sell' us on the idea of arming our cops with tasers, he set up a demonstration in NSW Parliament House. This was on the news etc but actually was itself against the law - Parliament House is supposed to be a weapons-free zone, and to discharge a taser was the same as discharging a gun, as far as our laws are concerned. So you can see that my take on the use of force against a minor is likely to be far more conservative, because here the picture is different. On that front - there was a story on Aussie media a week or so ago, an 'inside scoop' about Oprah in Australia. Apparently even while she was smiling broadly and yelling, "I LOVE AUSTRALIA!!" her eyes were scanning this way and that for 'crazies'. The thing is - we don't have them here, not in these sort of circumstances. But it's a cultural thing again. It really takes a lot for people who come here to realise just how safe Aussie crowds are. We do have hassles with papparazzi, but your average Aussie mob is actually very peaceful and safe. We have frequent large crowd events with few arrests. Mardi Gras; NYE - we used to have problems, but we're really good at putting these on with minimal hassles these days. You really can bring your family (with little kids) out to a large night-time crowd event and feel safe. So given our environment is different, I'm likely to have a stronger, and different, view to a lot of you in matters like this. But Suz - no offence taken, or intended. OK? It's important for either of us to feel free to express differing opinions. Marg [/QUOTE]
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