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<blockquote data-quote="Superpsy" data-source="post: 202928" data-attributes="member: 5848"><p>I came across this thread just now...sorry I'm raising this from the dead.</p><p> </p><p>I don't think it's an illogical response. Let me go through my rationale...</p><p> </p><p>I lived in Colorado during the year with the church shootings. I was half an hour away from the church where Jeanne Assam, a regular citizen and a concealed weapons permit holder shot and killed an armed intruder. Many people across the country are permit holders and walk the streets, shop at Wal-marts, sit in churches; all while armed. Let's look at the facts...despite all the comments about how stupid this is (with no basis in fact) there have been no wild west shootouts, increase in fatal road rage confrontations, blood running in the streets. Amazing eh? You would think that with all these armed citizens the crime rate would be through the roof. </p><p> </p><p>Schools are typically safe places but they are not magical criminal free zones where nothing bad happens. What this district policy will allow is people who carry EVERYWHERE else the ability to carry in schools. I believe that when we ban guns in an area unilaterally then we are making a criminal protection zone. No one will be able to defend themselves. I laugh when I see no gun signs on buildings...do you know who those signs stop? Law abiding citizens see those signs and go back to their cars...they follow the law. A criminal? How many of you can visualize a person intent on doing harm being turned back by a sign? I challenge you to find ONE case where a sign or a ban has stopped a crazed lunatic from doing harm. </p><p> </p><p>Some misconceptions:</p><p>1. No one would be forced to carry a gun. Only existing permit holders would carry.</p><p>2. No one would know who is carrying a gun in the school. Firearms are concealed.</p><p>3. Guns most likely would not be stored in a drawer or elsewhere in the classroom. Most permit holders carry the weapon on their person; in a holster. If security is still an issue some holsters are specially designed to secure the weapon if it is tugged or pulled on (retention holsters).</p><p>4. Permit holders are not police officers and would not use the firearm unless they or someone else if in fear of losing their life. I would rather know the person next to me is carrying a weapon and is willing to save my life than wait 10 minutes for the sheriff's department to come help me.</p><p>5. Permit holders (depending on the state) typically undergo an FBI and state background check, are fingerprinted and have to take a training class. Do you know that much about everyone you interact with?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Superpsy, post: 202928, member: 5848"] I came across this thread just now...sorry I'm raising this from the dead. I don't think it's an illogical response. Let me go through my rationale... I lived in Colorado during the year with the church shootings. I was half an hour away from the church where Jeanne Assam, a regular citizen and a concealed weapons permit holder shot and killed an armed intruder. Many people across the country are permit holders and walk the streets, shop at Wal-marts, sit in churches; all while armed. Let's look at the facts...despite all the comments about how stupid this is (with no basis in fact) there have been no wild west shootouts, increase in fatal road rage confrontations, blood running in the streets. Amazing eh? You would think that with all these armed citizens the crime rate would be through the roof. Schools are typically safe places but they are not magical criminal free zones where nothing bad happens. What this district policy will allow is people who carry EVERYWHERE else the ability to carry in schools. I believe that when we ban guns in an area unilaterally then we are making a criminal protection zone. No one will be able to defend themselves. I laugh when I see no gun signs on buildings...do you know who those signs stop? Law abiding citizens see those signs and go back to their cars...they follow the law. A criminal? How many of you can visualize a person intent on doing harm being turned back by a sign? I challenge you to find ONE case where a sign or a ban has stopped a crazed lunatic from doing harm. Some misconceptions: 1. No one would be forced to carry a gun. Only existing permit holders would carry. 2. No one would know who is carrying a gun in the school. Firearms are concealed. 3. Guns most likely would not be stored in a drawer or elsewhere in the classroom. Most permit holders carry the weapon on their person; in a holster. If security is still an issue some holsters are specially designed to secure the weapon if it is tugged or pulled on (retention holsters). 4. Permit holders are not police officers and would not use the firearm unless they or someone else if in fear of losing their life. I would rather know the person next to me is carrying a weapon and is willing to save my life than wait 10 minutes for the sheriff's department to come help me. 5. Permit holders (depending on the state) typically undergo an FBI and state background check, are fingerprinted and have to take a training class. Do you know that much about everyone you interact with? [/QUOTE]
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