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<blockquote data-quote="nerfherder" data-source="post: 662875" data-attributes="member: 15907"><p>I'm a very polite yet rabid supporter of second amendment rights. My thinking goes like this:</p><p></p><p>If you can guarantee that over the next 50 years, 100 years, into perpetuity the US government will remain at least as free as it is now, then I will agree with you that 2A is obsolete, that personal possession of firearms is unnecessary, and that we can just make them go away.</p><p></p><p>If you can guarantee that not just my children but my grandchildren, great grandchildren, all my relatives can trust that no government, lack of government or collapse of government will cause disaster (think Hurricane Katrina for a recent example) requiring protection without a law enforcement intervention that works - then I'll agree with you.</p><p></p><p>If you think that civilians are so outgunned by modern military that the idea of defending oneself from a government gone rogue is pointless, then you should talk to my mother about what she saw men and women with basic household possessions and a motley mismatched collection of firearms and ammunition were able to do to the German soldiers in the Warsaw Ghetto. And, as a friend has noted "right. you can't fight off a modern tank. But all you have to do is wait - eventually they have to (go potty) or eat or do repairs." </p><p></p><p>I'm not advocating any kind of revolution. Far from it! But I'd rather my descendants were socialized to say "(special phrase with that special F word)" and fight than comply with "Get in the line on the right, please." </p><p></p><p>Self defense is barely an issue here. I live in the country. Everyone has at least a shotgun for dealing with predators or feral dogs. And if I call the sheriff because of a safety/security problem, he or the deputies are likely ten or fifteen minutes away. And our sheriff is pleased to run the Concealed Carry classes (which require a background check) as he feels a high percentage of legal carry makes his job easier, keeps crime low - the majority of crimes involving violence in our county involve meth or alcohol abuse (the latter being very prevalent on the reservations, sadly enough.)</p><p></p><p>Firearm laws that work in NYC won't work out in the country. New York State is having a compliance problem now because of all the urban legislators thinking that what's good for them is good for the entire state - which is large by East Coast US standards, and mostly rural. </p><p></p><p>Mass stabbings are happening in China. One just happened in the US, in the same time frame as the shooting in Louisiana. Two boys just stabbed their family to death, with one survivor. It's not a fun thing to think about or write about. </p><p></p><p>There. That's my two cents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nerfherder, post: 662875, member: 15907"] I'm a very polite yet rabid supporter of second amendment rights. My thinking goes like this: If you can guarantee that over the next 50 years, 100 years, into perpetuity the US government will remain at least as free as it is now, then I will agree with you that 2A is obsolete, that personal possession of firearms is unnecessary, and that we can just make them go away. If you can guarantee that not just my children but my grandchildren, great grandchildren, all my relatives can trust that no government, lack of government or collapse of government will cause disaster (think Hurricane Katrina for a recent example) requiring protection without a law enforcement intervention that works - then I'll agree with you. If you think that civilians are so outgunned by modern military that the idea of defending oneself from a government gone rogue is pointless, then you should talk to my mother about what she saw men and women with basic household possessions and a motley mismatched collection of firearms and ammunition were able to do to the German soldiers in the Warsaw Ghetto. And, as a friend has noted "right. you can't fight off a modern tank. But all you have to do is wait - eventually they have to (go potty) or eat or do repairs." I'm not advocating any kind of revolution. Far from it! But I'd rather my descendants were socialized to say "(special phrase with that special F word)" and fight than comply with "Get in the line on the right, please." Self defense is barely an issue here. I live in the country. Everyone has at least a shotgun for dealing with predators or feral dogs. And if I call the sheriff because of a safety/security problem, he or the deputies are likely ten or fifteen minutes away. And our sheriff is pleased to run the Concealed Carry classes (which require a background check) as he feels a high percentage of legal carry makes his job easier, keeps crime low - the majority of crimes involving violence in our county involve meth or alcohol abuse (the latter being very prevalent on the reservations, sadly enough.) Firearm laws that work in NYC won't work out in the country. New York State is having a compliance problem now because of all the urban legislators thinking that what's good for them is good for the entire state - which is large by East Coast US standards, and mostly rural. Mass stabbings are happening in China. One just happened in the US, in the same time frame as the shooting in Louisiana. Two boys just stabbed their family to death, with one survivor. It's not a fun thing to think about or write about. There. That's my two cents. [/QUOTE]
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