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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 160639" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>Small babies CAN be very individual and also, in my opinion, very able to reason. Sniffles, welcome to the site and I applaud you for your sensitivity and observation.</p><p></p><p>I do not think this is ODD. My own opinion of ODD is that it develops as a result of an underlying condition such as ADHD, autism or any one of a number of possibilities, which means that the usual discipline/parenting techniques not only do not work, but can make problems worse. I dislike the label intensely because "Oppositional Defiance Disorder" implies that the child has some degree of deliberqate choice in behaviour, when I do not feel this is necessarily choice - more frustration, anger and anxiety than calm deliberate defiance. Especially anger. But there has to be a reason for teir anger to be so heightened and it takes time to build up such a high level of frustration and anger. </p><p></p><p>When easy child was a baby I had the chance to observe her behaviour in a group of peers, and see the range of behaviours exhibited. I placed her in a child care centre near work, and would also chat to the other breastfeeding mothers there. We watched each other's babies as they developed, three within two weeks ofeach other's age. easy child was perhaps the least cuddly of them all despite my willingness to cuddle her all she wanted. Otherwise, she was a very good baby who rarely cried.</p><p></p><p>When easy child was six weeks old her behaviour suddenly changed and she was screaming constantly, arching her back and impossible to console. She wouldn't sleep either, but would lie there and scream. At six weeks old, she sounded angry. It was bizarre. As she was only breastfed and otherwise she seemed well, I thought about possible causes. The only change was in my diet - I had changed from orange juice to an artificial substitute, lacing both with Vitamin C powder. I checked the label of the substitute and found two artificial colours. I stopped taking the supplement and after three days easy child's behaviour was back to normal.</p><p></p><p>WHen she was 7 months old she developed thrush. A doctor put her on Nystatin liquid. Almost immediately her behaviour changed again and she was a screaming banshee. I had noticed the Nystatin was yellow-coloured andchecked the ingredients - one of the two colours in the OJ substitute was in the Nystatin (as if a baby cares what colour its medicine is!). I asked the doctor for an alternative, but all tat we could get was spearmint flavoured lozenges, which I crushed up and put in her rice cereal. She hated it and I had a fight to get it into her, but a screaming fight three times a day is better than 24/7.</p><p></p><p>What I'm suggesting - there could be something in this kid's diet which could be causing her problems. </p><p></p><p>Another alternative - there is something more serious wrong. Not ODD though, but something which could possibly lead to ODD if it's not handled well. </p><p></p><p>I also am thinking of autism, but there are other possibilities. She sounds like she could have sensory issues, a high frustration level, some Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) (going back to the same thing even when removed - the books) and is very impatient. It also implies that she is very egocentric (understandable in a baby) but is not learning as fast, that there is a process, an order in which things happen and her needs may not always instantly be met. An autistic kid at this aged (and older) believes that other people instantly know their every thought, and that everyone else exists only to serve their needs.</p><p></p><p>There are things you can do. Read "Son Rise" and maybe change the way you interact with her, to see if you can work with her more effectively. It's a different mind-set needed, you need to plug in to her.</p><p></p><p>Also, read up on "The Explosive Child" by Ross Greene. There is some dfiscussion on this at the top of this forum. I'm not sure how much you can really do at her age, but it can at least help you understand a bitmore about what is going on in her head.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to say more but it's late, tomorrow is a big day and I have to get to bed. I'll try to check in tomorrow afternoon (my time).</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 160639, member: 1991"] Small babies CAN be very individual and also, in my opinion, very able to reason. Sniffles, welcome to the site and I applaud you for your sensitivity and observation. I do not think this is ODD. My own opinion of ODD is that it develops as a result of an underlying condition such as ADHD, autism or any one of a number of possibilities, which means that the usual discipline/parenting techniques not only do not work, but can make problems worse. I dislike the label intensely because "Oppositional Defiance Disorder" implies that the child has some degree of deliberqate choice in behaviour, when I do not feel this is necessarily choice - more frustration, anger and anxiety than calm deliberate defiance. Especially anger. But there has to be a reason for teir anger to be so heightened and it takes time to build up such a high level of frustration and anger. When easy child was a baby I had the chance to observe her behaviour in a group of peers, and see the range of behaviours exhibited. I placed her in a child care centre near work, and would also chat to the other breastfeeding mothers there. We watched each other's babies as they developed, three within two weeks ofeach other's age. easy child was perhaps the least cuddly of them all despite my willingness to cuddle her all she wanted. Otherwise, she was a very good baby who rarely cried. When easy child was six weeks old her behaviour suddenly changed and she was screaming constantly, arching her back and impossible to console. She wouldn't sleep either, but would lie there and scream. At six weeks old, she sounded angry. It was bizarre. As she was only breastfed and otherwise she seemed well, I thought about possible causes. The only change was in my diet - I had changed from orange juice to an artificial substitute, lacing both with Vitamin C powder. I checked the label of the substitute and found two artificial colours. I stopped taking the supplement and after three days easy child's behaviour was back to normal. WHen she was 7 months old she developed thrush. A doctor put her on Nystatin liquid. Almost immediately her behaviour changed again and she was a screaming banshee. I had noticed the Nystatin was yellow-coloured andchecked the ingredients - one of the two colours in the OJ substitute was in the Nystatin (as if a baby cares what colour its medicine is!). I asked the doctor for an alternative, but all tat we could get was spearmint flavoured lozenges, which I crushed up and put in her rice cereal. She hated it and I had a fight to get it into her, but a screaming fight three times a day is better than 24/7. What I'm suggesting - there could be something in this kid's diet which could be causing her problems. Another alternative - there is something more serious wrong. Not ODD though, but something which could possibly lead to ODD if it's not handled well. I also am thinking of autism, but there are other possibilities. She sounds like she could have sensory issues, a high frustration level, some Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) (going back to the same thing even when removed - the books) and is very impatient. It also implies that she is very egocentric (understandable in a baby) but is not learning as fast, that there is a process, an order in which things happen and her needs may not always instantly be met. An autistic kid at this aged (and older) believes that other people instantly know their every thought, and that everyone else exists only to serve their needs. There are things you can do. Read "Son Rise" and maybe change the way you interact with her, to see if you can work with her more effectively. It's a different mind-set needed, you need to plug in to her. Also, read up on "The Explosive Child" by Ross Greene. There is some dfiscussion on this at the top of this forum. I'm not sure how much you can really do at her age, but it can at least help you understand a bitmore about what is going on in her head. I'd like to say more but it's late, tomorrow is a big day and I have to get to bed. I'll try to check in tomorrow afternoon (my time). Marg [/QUOTE]
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