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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 434110" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>If the info comes from you with an admission that you got it illegally, they may not be able to use it. If it is sent anonymously they ahve no idea if it is gotten illegally or not. If it is kiddy porn, and the law enforcement agency did NOT get it illegally but someone else did, in most states they can still use it. The deal is that the cops, etc... cannot break the law to get it. But they can use info an informant gives them even if the informant broke the law as long as the cops did not ask the informant to get the info. In a case of child porn, they are NOT going to come down hard on a grandparent or other family member who spied to find out if their beloved grandchild/niece/nephew/son/daughter is being abused for child porn reasons. Anyone who tried to penalize you legally or in civil court would face such immense public outcry (and most reporters would LOVE a story of a gma or uncle who did what was needed to get info to protect a child from this and then was sent to jail or sued because they spied illegally on a computer - trust me, it would be HUGE for the reporter and public sympathy would be 1000% on your side) that no charges would be brought. No jury would find you guilty, no prosecutor would try it. It owuld RUIN any chances for promotion or political office if they tried a person who only spied on a computer to get evidence to protect a child. Esp if they are related to that child, Know what I mean??</p><p></p><p>Also, they could NOT sue you in civil court because you cannot claim someone violated your rights if you are doing something illegal and the violated rights led to prosecution. Just like a drug dealer cannot charge someone who stole money or drugs from them with theft. The illegal act makes the charges unable to be upheld or even brought against you. I may not be phrasing this correctly, but basically you cannot use your legal rights to protect an illegal act. So you would most likely NOT be in any trouble, no matter what is threatened. Heck, there are enough of us here to twitter and facebook about anything that happened Occupational Therapist (OT) get it media attention to get public opinion to sway things your way if needed. I have been tempted to start a "why doesn't southwest OH CPS do anything" campaign going on fb/twitter/etc... just because I know so many people who have tried to report things, serious abuse of kids, and gotten no response from them at all. Until we moved back here I sort of thought all CPS was like that, but here every report is acted on, at least given a home visit and school/daycare visit, no matter how overloaded they are. I just haven't thought the entire strategy through yet.</p><p></p><p>I am sorry that you are in a situation where you know things are badly wrong in that family and so far you can do nothing about it because the groups that are supposed to care just don't. It sickens me, but if your grandkids were puppies the law and spca would be all over them in that part of the country. But because they are children no one seems to care. Cliche, probably, but the truth nonetheless. I guess things get to be cliches because they are so often true, sick as that is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 434110, member: 1233"] If the info comes from you with an admission that you got it illegally, they may not be able to use it. If it is sent anonymously they ahve no idea if it is gotten illegally or not. If it is kiddy porn, and the law enforcement agency did NOT get it illegally but someone else did, in most states they can still use it. The deal is that the cops, etc... cannot break the law to get it. But they can use info an informant gives them even if the informant broke the law as long as the cops did not ask the informant to get the info. In a case of child porn, they are NOT going to come down hard on a grandparent or other family member who spied to find out if their beloved grandchild/niece/nephew/son/daughter is being abused for child porn reasons. Anyone who tried to penalize you legally or in civil court would face such immense public outcry (and most reporters would LOVE a story of a gma or uncle who did what was needed to get info to protect a child from this and then was sent to jail or sued because they spied illegally on a computer - trust me, it would be HUGE for the reporter and public sympathy would be 1000% on your side) that no charges would be brought. No jury would find you guilty, no prosecutor would try it. It owuld RUIN any chances for promotion or political office if they tried a person who only spied on a computer to get evidence to protect a child. Esp if they are related to that child, Know what I mean?? Also, they could NOT sue you in civil court because you cannot claim someone violated your rights if you are doing something illegal and the violated rights led to prosecution. Just like a drug dealer cannot charge someone who stole money or drugs from them with theft. The illegal act makes the charges unable to be upheld or even brought against you. I may not be phrasing this correctly, but basically you cannot use your legal rights to protect an illegal act. So you would most likely NOT be in any trouble, no matter what is threatened. Heck, there are enough of us here to twitter and facebook about anything that happened Occupational Therapist (OT) get it media attention to get public opinion to sway things your way if needed. I have been tempted to start a "why doesn't southwest OH CPS do anything" campaign going on fb/twitter/etc... just because I know so many people who have tried to report things, serious abuse of kids, and gotten no response from them at all. Until we moved back here I sort of thought all CPS was like that, but here every report is acted on, at least given a home visit and school/daycare visit, no matter how overloaded they are. I just haven't thought the entire strategy through yet. I am sorry that you are in a situation where you know things are badly wrong in that family and so far you can do nothing about it because the groups that are supposed to care just don't. It sickens me, but if your grandkids were puppies the law and spca would be all over them in that part of the country. But because they are children no one seems to care. Cliche, probably, but the truth nonetheless. I guess things get to be cliches because they are so often true, sick as that is. [/QUOTE]
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