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I need to think on that one Copa.  Can I get back to you after I do a little work?  Let me check some references.  It might be a day or two because I was up all night.  J had a big appointment with her neuro and I just could not sleep last night.  I just posted about it.  But I won't forget and I WILL get back to you.  I just might have to get a little sleep before I can think clearly.