Even attempting a general conversation results in little Miss Snippy Britches rearing her head. I swear, that child cannot stand the sight of me. Unless she needs something, of course. I try. Lord, how I try. I let it roll off my back. I ignore the tone. I make light conversation. It doesn't matter. I cannot do anything right by her. Today when I picked her up from school, there was a line of cars backed up all the way down the road. That is very unusual. Then I noticed a police car in the front parking lot of the school and another cruiser across the street, with an officer standing on the corner. I had to go around the block and come back through to be able to get her. So, naturally, I asked her what was going on; if something happened. And out comes Miss Snippy Britches. MSB: "I don't know", dripping with attitude. Me: "I had to go around the block because it was so backed up." MSB: "I KNOW. I SAW it." Me: "There was a cop across the street, too." MSB: " I TOLD YOU I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED." Me: "I was just making an observation. It was a statement, not a question. It did not require a response." When I picked up difficult child 2, she told him about it and told him that cops were walking around the building, too. Gee, that would have been nice to know. Any attempt to engage her pleasantly later in the day/evening, was met with hostility. She spent the evening in her room. Her choice. Oh...and "I love you" is met with..... (barely audible) "K". "Good morning" and "Good night" are generally ignored. Occasionally, she will say, "Night". Occasionally. I still say them all the time, though. Some may say that's typical teen, but she *never* says "I love you" to me. I haven't heard it in years from her. I can't remember the last time I heard her say it. easy child always said it, even when he was with friends. His friends always said it to their parents in front of peers and so did/does easy child's girlfriend. Sometimes I think I should just take her queue and only talk when spoken to and quit trying so hard. Obviously, what I've been doing isn't working so maybe I should just do it. I don't know what is the right thing. I never have with her.