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<blockquote data-quote="Scent of Cedar *" data-source="post: 665563" data-attributes="member: 17461"><p>One of the things is to see the way other cultures cherish their females. I am on FB with the mother, the sister, the cousin, the son, of the male who hurt daughter. I was so angry about it when it happened, I wanted to blame them, to never have anything more to do with that family. But instead, I FB the mom. I said we both were disappointed, that we loved both kids and were the grandmas and both felt so badly. So, I continue to receive their postings having to do with the Native community. Which I was about ready to give up on altogether. And I learned about the construction and the spiritual meaning of the dresses the women wear when the Native community comes together to dance. And, though we have a concept of that community as extremely misogynistic...that isn't true.</p><p></p><p>It is the dancing women who attract the attention of the Spirit, of the power that funnels through the tribe.</p><p></p><p>That is why the dresses they wear when they dance are made to jingle. </p><p></p><p>That is the power of Woman.</p><p></p><p>We have the opposite concept: Until pretty recently in the Christian religion, women were believed to have no soul. To this day (I think this is true) the Mormon religion believes the wife is taken up into Heaven on her husband's say so. The Catholic church routinely sacrificed the mother, if there were a question of the woman dying to give birth. That is where we had value as Woman.</p><p></p><p>Carrying the babies men gave us.</p><p></p><p>Inheritance, for us, passed only through the male line.</p><p></p><p>Henry the VIII ~ look at what happened there, for him to create a legitimate male heir.</p><p></p><p>I don't know how African people view Woman.</p><p></p><p>But that would be an interesting field of study.</p><p></p><p>How does the Latin community view Woman?</p><p></p><p>So...add the misogyny we were born into and grew into to the ways we were treated by our own Woman figure, our mothers.</p><p></p><p>Devalued, hated, reviled, blamed for Exile from the Garden.</p><p></p><p>Did you know the Lilith figure's sin was that she refused to accept subservience to the Adam? So then, in that belief system, the Eve was created.</p><p></p><p>Lilith?</p><p></p><p>Flew free; roared away. And has been condemned for it, ever since.</p><p></p><p>Just as we found a different kind of strength in learning the story of the pirate mother, throwing her skirts up and roaring she could make another, so we can find other concepts of female to counteract the misogyny running through our own culture like some dark, rotted thread.</p><p></p><p>Maya describes her mother backhanding her right off the porch. She describes other evidences of abuse. <em>So she changed the story of her life, of its hardness and sadness and hatred, through changing its meaning for her.</em></p><p></p><p>That's what we need to do, too.</p><p></p><p>Especially given our breakage and the corresponding beliefs in us that we are powerlessly responsible, through some oversight, for every bad thing that happens anywhere near us, it will be good for us to study other ways Woman is seen.</p><p></p><p>We have surely vacuumed up every bad judgement our misogynistic societies have drilled into us. It will be good to counter that.</p><p></p><p>***</p><p></p><p>Joel Osteen, this morning: "Failure is an event, not a person."</p><p></p><p>Cedar</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scent of Cedar *, post: 665563, member: 17461"] One of the things is to see the way other cultures cherish their females. I am on FB with the mother, the sister, the cousin, the son, of the male who hurt daughter. I was so angry about it when it happened, I wanted to blame them, to never have anything more to do with that family. But instead, I FB the mom. I said we both were disappointed, that we loved both kids and were the grandmas and both felt so badly. So, I continue to receive their postings having to do with the Native community. Which I was about ready to give up on altogether. And I learned about the construction and the spiritual meaning of the dresses the women wear when the Native community comes together to dance. And, though we have a concept of that community as extremely misogynistic...that isn't true. It is the dancing women who attract the attention of the Spirit, of the power that funnels through the tribe. That is why the dresses they wear when they dance are made to jingle. That is the power of Woman. We have the opposite concept: Until pretty recently in the Christian religion, women were believed to have no soul. To this day (I think this is true) the Mormon religion believes the wife is taken up into Heaven on her husband's say so. The Catholic church routinely sacrificed the mother, if there were a question of the woman dying to give birth. That is where we had value as Woman. Carrying the babies men gave us. Inheritance, for us, passed only through the male line. Henry the VIII ~ look at what happened there, for him to create a legitimate male heir. I don't know how African people view Woman. But that would be an interesting field of study. How does the Latin community view Woman? So...add the misogyny we were born into and grew into to the ways we were treated by our own Woman figure, our mothers. Devalued, hated, reviled, blamed for Exile from the Garden. Did you know the Lilith figure's sin was that she refused to accept subservience to the Adam? So then, in that belief system, the Eve was created. Lilith? Flew free; roared away. And has been condemned for it, ever since. Just as we found a different kind of strength in learning the story of the pirate mother, throwing her skirts up and roaring she could make another, so we can find other concepts of female to counteract the misogyny running through our own culture like some dark, rotted thread. Maya describes her mother backhanding her right off the porch. She describes other evidences of abuse. [I]So she changed the story of her life, of its hardness and sadness and hatred, through changing its meaning for her.[/I] That's what we need to do, too. Especially given our breakage and the corresponding beliefs in us that we are powerlessly responsible, through some oversight, for every bad thing that happens anywhere near us, it will be good for us to study other ways Woman is seen. We have surely vacuumed up every bad judgement our misogynistic societies have drilled into us. It will be good to counter that. *** Joel Osteen, this morning: "Failure is an event, not a person." Cedar [/QUOTE]
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