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<blockquote data-quote="scent of cedar" data-source="post: 600930" data-attributes="member: 1721"><p>difficult child was prescribed Cymbalta, for anxiety, in September of 2012. This medication was prescribed by a general practitioner.</p><p></p><p>For some, this is a miracle drug. For about 15% of those who use it, Cymbalta can trigger mania. As near as we can figure, difficult child was thrown into a manic state. From what we've been able to piece together, there was use of street drugs while she was using the Cymbalta. (One of the symptoms of mania is poor impulse control.) At some point, she stopped the Cymbalta cold turkey. Cymbalta is a medication that should be tapered under medical supervision. DUI Nov 6th. The bad people she is with now were sort of floating around the edges of things back in August. We left for the winter in October. difficult child quit her job in November. In December difficult child's ex-husband came to visit his sons. By that point, difficult child's apartment had become a haven for homeless druggies. He took all three kids back with him. difficult child's lease was terminated, and she became homeless January 31st. She put her belongings into storage and went to stay with "friends." difficult child was mandated into treatment in early February. She left AMA in March. The accident was April 1st. We came home in May. Though we have Facebook video-called with difficult child a few times, we have not seen her in person since last October. </p><p></p><p>***********</p><p></p><p>Starting at about 14, difficult child ran away and ran away, always to the bad people in the inner city. These are the same people she wound up with now, as an adult ~ except that now, those of them still alive have prison records.</p><p></p><p>When difficult child daughter was young, she was in treatment four or five times. </p><p></p><p>The first facility (we brought her to that one) was a dual-diagnostic facility specializing in adolescents in crisis. All they told us was that difficult child was alcoholic (at 14) and would die without treatment. While we had known something was wrong, we had no idea alcohol was at the root of it. Nonetheless, that is what they told us it was, and so we proceeded on that basis. difficult child voluntarily underwent her first treatment. Three months. </p><p></p><p>They could not tell us what the toxicity in our home was that had caused this. </p><p></p><p>At that time, our son, who is two years younger than difficult child, was doing great. (He would begin using drugs, and would become addicted, when he was 16. He would pull himself out of that and turn his life around at 32. He is doing well, now ~ struggling financially, but working hard and no drug use.) Things went from bad to worse with difficult child daughter. Probation and state-mandated treatments came, next. At one point, we had something called SWAT teams coming to the house whenever they wanted to, unannounced, for difficult child daughter. They could go through her room whenever they wanted ~ pretty much making every possible effort to help difficult child straighten out. She was also part of an intensive program aimed specifically at adolescent females on probation. Actually, we came to know so many of these people so well. They cared very much for and about difficult child. </p><p></p><p>But nothing seemed to help.</p><p></p><p>So anyway, we struggled along pretty well, with difficult child always in or out of treatment, and always returning to these same, bad people she is running with now whenever she was home. difficult child became pregnant with our first grandchild. difficult child was 19 when she had her. As soon as the baby's father would be released from jail (honest to God), difficult child would take the baby and go live with him. He would go back to jail, and difficult child and the baby would come home. </p><p></p><p>During this time, the emphasis was on getting difficult child through high school and then, into college. Problem, problem, problem, and we are 7 or 8 years down the line. difficult child has had another baby. (The child whose father has now rescued difficult child.) difficult child is working (no degree yet, but a good job). Meets someone on the internet. They get married. He is actually a wonderful man. In fact, he is the man currently raising all three of difficult child's minor children, only two of which are his. difficult child's other child is now 20, and is doing pretty well, all things considered.</p><p></p><p>Now, where was I? </p><p></p><p>:O)</p><p></p><p>Just kidding.</p><p></p><p>difficult child divorced the husband. She was living in another state, had graduated, and was teaching, by this time. Got involved with another teacher. Beautiful home, beautiful diamond. Brought the man to the lake one summer. Very nice, bright, wonderful man. Next thing we knew, that relationship was over, too. Last summer, she decided to come home, to be closer to family. She found work (good work, too) right away. (difficult child is ~ or she was, last time I saw her anyway ~ bright, attractive and well-spoken.) </p><p></p><p>Things started to look a little flaky toward the end of August. </p><p></p><p>Somehow, we convinced ourselves that, once husband and I left for the winter and difficult child was solely responsible for herself and the kids, she would settle down. She had always been a really great mom. Really great. So, we went ahead and left, in October. Things seemed fine, at first. </p><p></p><p>But then, in November, difficult child quit her job. </p><p></p><p>She said all was well, everything was under control. </p><p></p><p>Still, we wouldn't hear from her so often. </p><p></p><p>Thanksgiving, we did get to talk to everyone, saw pictures on Facebook, etc. Bad people were in those pictures. difficult child said no, they had changed, and all was well. </p><p></p><p>We started hearing more and more about this particular bad man difficult child has been fixated on/living on the streets with. At first, we heard that he was a wonderful man who was helping her stay focused, helping with the kids....</p><p></p><p>difficult child has been diagnosed with a "serious and pervasive" mental illness.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps that was always the issue? We don't know.</p><p></p><p>Is the problem mental illness? Or has all this happened because of the Cymbalta. Or, is it Cymbalta combined with illegal drug use? Is it running (and choosing to run) with the people she ran with when she was 14? Was it the Cymbalta that made it seem like a good idea to become re-involved with these people? We don't know. </p><p></p><p>Do we view our daughter as someone who has made a courageous fight against mental illness all her life, and was thrown over the edge when the Cymbalta was prescribed? Or do we view her as someone who willfully destroyed hers and her children's lives through illicit drug use? </p><p></p><p>I am tempted to explore action against the prescribing physician. Given difficult child's history, and the fact that illegal drug use is involved as well, I haven't done anything. </p><p></p><p>Barbara</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scent of cedar, post: 600930, member: 1721"] difficult child was prescribed Cymbalta, for anxiety, in September of 2012. This medication was prescribed by a general practitioner. For some, this is a miracle drug. For about 15% of those who use it, Cymbalta can trigger mania. As near as we can figure, difficult child was thrown into a manic state. From what we've been able to piece together, there was use of street drugs while she was using the Cymbalta. (One of the symptoms of mania is poor impulse control.) At some point, she stopped the Cymbalta cold turkey. Cymbalta is a medication that should be tapered under medical supervision. DUI Nov 6th. The bad people she is with now were sort of floating around the edges of things back in August. We left for the winter in October. difficult child quit her job in November. In December difficult child's ex-husband came to visit his sons. By that point, difficult child's apartment had become a haven for homeless druggies. He took all three kids back with him. difficult child's lease was terminated, and she became homeless January 31st. She put her belongings into storage and went to stay with "friends." difficult child was mandated into treatment in early February. She left AMA in March. The accident was April 1st. We came home in May. Though we have Facebook video-called with difficult child a few times, we have not seen her in person since last October. *********** Starting at about 14, difficult child ran away and ran away, always to the bad people in the inner city. These are the same people she wound up with now, as an adult ~ except that now, those of them still alive have prison records. When difficult child daughter was young, she was in treatment four or five times. The first facility (we brought her to that one) was a dual-diagnostic facility specializing in adolescents in crisis. All they told us was that difficult child was alcoholic (at 14) and would die without treatment. While we had known something was wrong, we had no idea alcohol was at the root of it. Nonetheless, that is what they told us it was, and so we proceeded on that basis. difficult child voluntarily underwent her first treatment. Three months. They could not tell us what the toxicity in our home was that had caused this. At that time, our son, who is two years younger than difficult child, was doing great. (He would begin using drugs, and would become addicted, when he was 16. He would pull himself out of that and turn his life around at 32. He is doing well, now ~ struggling financially, but working hard and no drug use.) Things went from bad to worse with difficult child daughter. Probation and state-mandated treatments came, next. At one point, we had something called SWAT teams coming to the house whenever they wanted to, unannounced, for difficult child daughter. They could go through her room whenever they wanted ~ pretty much making every possible effort to help difficult child straighten out. She was also part of an intensive program aimed specifically at adolescent females on probation. Actually, we came to know so many of these people so well. They cared very much for and about difficult child. But nothing seemed to help. So anyway, we struggled along pretty well, with difficult child always in or out of treatment, and always returning to these same, bad people she is running with now whenever she was home. difficult child became pregnant with our first grandchild. difficult child was 19 when she had her. As soon as the baby's father would be released from jail (honest to God), difficult child would take the baby and go live with him. He would go back to jail, and difficult child and the baby would come home. During this time, the emphasis was on getting difficult child through high school and then, into college. Problem, problem, problem, and we are 7 or 8 years down the line. difficult child has had another baby. (The child whose father has now rescued difficult child.) difficult child is working (no degree yet, but a good job). Meets someone on the internet. They get married. He is actually a wonderful man. In fact, he is the man currently raising all three of difficult child's minor children, only two of which are his. difficult child's other child is now 20, and is doing pretty well, all things considered. Now, where was I? :O) Just kidding. difficult child divorced the husband. She was living in another state, had graduated, and was teaching, by this time. Got involved with another teacher. Beautiful home, beautiful diamond. Brought the man to the lake one summer. Very nice, bright, wonderful man. Next thing we knew, that relationship was over, too. Last summer, she decided to come home, to be closer to family. She found work (good work, too) right away. (difficult child is ~ or she was, last time I saw her anyway ~ bright, attractive and well-spoken.) Things started to look a little flaky toward the end of August. Somehow, we convinced ourselves that, once husband and I left for the winter and difficult child was solely responsible for herself and the kids, she would settle down. She had always been a really great mom. Really great. So, we went ahead and left, in October. Things seemed fine, at first. But then, in November, difficult child quit her job. She said all was well, everything was under control. Still, we wouldn't hear from her so often. Thanksgiving, we did get to talk to everyone, saw pictures on Facebook, etc. Bad people were in those pictures. difficult child said no, they had changed, and all was well. We started hearing more and more about this particular bad man difficult child has been fixated on/living on the streets with. At first, we heard that he was a wonderful man who was helping her stay focused, helping with the kids.... difficult child has been diagnosed with a "serious and pervasive" mental illness. Perhaps that was always the issue? We don't know. Is the problem mental illness? Or has all this happened because of the Cymbalta. Or, is it Cymbalta combined with illegal drug use? Is it running (and choosing to run) with the people she ran with when she was 14? Was it the Cymbalta that made it seem like a good idea to become re-involved with these people? We don't know. Do we view our daughter as someone who has made a courageous fight against mental illness all her life, and was thrown over the edge when the Cymbalta was prescribed? Or do we view her as someone who willfully destroyed hers and her children's lives through illicit drug use? I am tempted to explore action against the prescribing physician. Given difficult child's history, and the fact that illegal drug use is involved as well, I haven't done anything. Barbara [/QUOTE]
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