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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 199993" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>Donna, Mb,</p><p> </p><p>I already KNOW the spay and neuter speech. I have said it so many many times to bro, and to others. When we unexpectedly got Sweetie Pie, and she went into heat before we could get her spayed, we were VERY careful with her. And we went into debt (which we just do NOT do) to get her spayed as soon as she was out of heat. </p><p> </p><p>The more I say about how hard it is on Roxy, the more my bro will do the opposite of what I say.</p><p> </p><p> I will do what I can to help this poor mommy dog.</p><p> </p><p>I was laughing at the sheer idiocy of my bro, NOT at Roxy's plight. I KNOW how hard this is on a mom. Heck, I spaced MY pregnancies farther apart because it was hard on MY body. Can't imagine having kids back to back. I KNOW people do, and even by choice. And for PEOPLE who are doing that, that is their choice. But for mommy dogs, this just isn't right.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry if I offended anyone with the laughing. It was NOT aimed at the dog's situation. It WAS aimed at my bro.</p><p> </p><p>I am trying to find GOOD homes for the 2 males that are 7 or 8 months old. The new puppies won't be old enough until Christmas. If I know anyone going up to VA I will let y'all know. Anyone travelling through here, let me know.</p><p> </p><p>The daddy's bloodlines were researched carefully, so that there was no inbreeding in his line. The mommy is a totally different line. Mommy was bred by bro's best friend. Daddy was from a different breeder because best friend did not have any puppies when bro was ready to get one - it was after he lost his first border collie to a drunk driver. Daddy's family is in a different state, and bro researched the bloodline so that it had no links to his best friend's dogs. So the puppies should have good strong genes, and should be ready around Christmas.</p><p> </p><p>Being ready around Christmas scares me. I HATE HATE HATE when animals are given as presents, because usually the animals are later abandoned. This is why we still have the cockatiel. It was a "gift" to Jessie, but a commitment from husband and I. WE committed to having the bird. So, we work with it, will happily let another family who really WANTS it have her (esp if she shows that seh wants to be around that person/family), but have turned down 5 families/individuals who wanted her. Two didn't make the check through animal control (one was a hoarder, the other sold animals for science labs), and three families wanted to give her to children about age 6 with NO family commitment behind that. So, I truly understand the commitment, and CRINGE at the thought of these beautiful dogs being given as gifts.</p><p> </p><p>BUT if any of you are travelling around the holidays and truly want to commit to a border collie (esp if you have had one or fostered one and know what is involved), then PM me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 199993, member: 1233"] Donna, Mb, I already KNOW the spay and neuter speech. I have said it so many many times to bro, and to others. When we unexpectedly got Sweetie Pie, and she went into heat before we could get her spayed, we were VERY careful with her. And we went into debt (which we just do NOT do) to get her spayed as soon as she was out of heat. The more I say about how hard it is on Roxy, the more my bro will do the opposite of what I say. I will do what I can to help this poor mommy dog. I was laughing at the sheer idiocy of my bro, NOT at Roxy's plight. I KNOW how hard this is on a mom. Heck, I spaced MY pregnancies farther apart because it was hard on MY body. Can't imagine having kids back to back. I KNOW people do, and even by choice. And for PEOPLE who are doing that, that is their choice. But for mommy dogs, this just isn't right. Sorry if I offended anyone with the laughing. It was NOT aimed at the dog's situation. It WAS aimed at my bro. I am trying to find GOOD homes for the 2 males that are 7 or 8 months old. The new puppies won't be old enough until Christmas. If I know anyone going up to VA I will let y'all know. Anyone travelling through here, let me know. The daddy's bloodlines were researched carefully, so that there was no inbreeding in his line. The mommy is a totally different line. Mommy was bred by bro's best friend. Daddy was from a different breeder because best friend did not have any puppies when bro was ready to get one - it was after he lost his first border collie to a drunk driver. Daddy's family is in a different state, and bro researched the bloodline so that it had no links to his best friend's dogs. So the puppies should have good strong genes, and should be ready around Christmas. Being ready around Christmas scares me. I HATE HATE HATE when animals are given as presents, because usually the animals are later abandoned. This is why we still have the cockatiel. It was a "gift" to Jessie, but a commitment from husband and I. WE committed to having the bird. So, we work with it, will happily let another family who really WANTS it have her (esp if she shows that seh wants to be around that person/family), but have turned down 5 families/individuals who wanted her. Two didn't make the check through animal control (one was a hoarder, the other sold animals for science labs), and three families wanted to give her to children about age 6 with NO family commitment behind that. So, I truly understand the commitment, and CRINGE at the thought of these beautiful dogs being given as gifts. BUT if any of you are travelling around the holidays and truly want to commit to a border collie (esp if you have had one or fostered one and know what is involved), then PM me. [/QUOTE]
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