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<blockquote data-quote="CindyTN" data-source="post: 220852" data-attributes="member: 6476"><p>Hi there! Well, this is my first post on this forum, and I know I won't be very popular after I say what I'm about to say. I COMPLETELY disagree with people insinuating that this child may be on the autism spectrum. I saw ABSOLUTELY NO signs or symptoms you listed to indicate that would even be considered as an issue. Of course, if it's a concern you have, please proceed with testing. I just don't think the shoe fits from what you've said. I think there's always a tendency on health forums for people to read into the symptoms someone lays out and to relate that to their own real-life scenario, or rather overlay that into their own lives. This can be an extremely dangerous form of self-diagnosing for someone else that we don't even know. I usually don't point this out on forums, but I think it's just blatantly evident in this case because out of my 12 years of dealing with a child on the spectrum, there is nothing mentioned in the original post that even fits with autism. That is a heavy burden to lay on a parent. Saying that, let me say this....</p><p> </p><p>It's more probable that a parent with a child on the autism spectrum who is facing these additional issues mentioned in the post, are actually dealing with dual or multi-diagnoses. The big difference between these behaviors and what diagnosis they pertain to comes down to intent, understanding, remorse, and developmental capabilities. A child who is solely on the spectrum does NOT intentionally hurt other people for the sake of hurtng/attacking others; it's usually a lack of social skills and developmental abilities to control their feelings. However, with a child with a behavior disorder or conduct disorder, the intent is definitely there in that moment, and the child may or may not ever feel remorse. The child also has the ability to differentiate between right and wrong and then CHOOSES the wrong action, not because of a developmental delay in understanding what is appropriate or the inability to process quickly enough to take the correct action. </p><p> </p><p>My child is on the autism spectrum, as I mentioned previously. He is 12 years old. Until recently, I blamed everything on autism. But then I was able to obtain the services of some of the most highly qualified autism experts around, people who had done much research and worked with these children daily, with very many success stories I might add. They also work with children with psychiatric conditions such as bipolar, adhd, conduct disorder, etc. I feel so blessed to have received a HUGE education during this process, while my son is at a residential treatment facility catering to children with autism and mixed diagnoses. I now recognize that autism isn't an "excuse" to accept the behaviors mentioned above, because it is NOT autism related behavior at all. Is it a mental illness? Absolutely, but it's not the autism causing those things. The autism certainly causes other problems in the social arena but lying, stealing, intentional aggression, the inability to show remorse...... that is NOT autism. As a matter of fact, my son's autism specialist/and the head instructor over developmental disabilities at Vanderbilt has refused to see my son again for his "autism" until the psychiatric components are being better managed by a psychiatrist. I understand this now, but I was furious when she first told me this. It wasn't until my son was admitted to a top facility that I began to "get it." </p><p> </p><p>Amy, my son shows the exact symptoms/behaviors you mentioned. Basically, any time the word "no" is put before him, things quickly spin out of control, especially if the word "no" pertains to his use of video games or electronics. </p><p> </p><p>Amy, hang in there and don't give up. We have to be our children's biggest advocate. You will eventually get the answers you need. But you may have to fight to find a great doctor to manage what is going on. I wouldn't settle for one opinion or even two opinions. Child psychiatry is a very tricky field that even the best psychiatrists admit is difficult to practice in. Identifying one condition from another at young ages is very difficult.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CindyTN, post: 220852, member: 6476"] Hi there! Well, this is my first post on this forum, and I know I won't be very popular after I say what I'm about to say. I COMPLETELY disagree with people insinuating that this child may be on the autism spectrum. I saw ABSOLUTELY NO signs or symptoms you listed to indicate that would even be considered as an issue. Of course, if it's a concern you have, please proceed with testing. I just don't think the shoe fits from what you've said. I think there's always a tendency on health forums for people to read into the symptoms someone lays out and to relate that to their own real-life scenario, or rather overlay that into their own lives. This can be an extremely dangerous form of self-diagnosing for someone else that we don't even know. I usually don't point this out on forums, but I think it's just blatantly evident in this case because out of my 12 years of dealing with a child on the spectrum, there is nothing mentioned in the original post that even fits with autism. That is a heavy burden to lay on a parent. Saying that, let me say this.... It's more probable that a parent with a child on the autism spectrum who is facing these additional issues mentioned in the post, are actually dealing with dual or multi-diagnoses. The big difference between these behaviors and what diagnosis they pertain to comes down to intent, understanding, remorse, and developmental capabilities. A child who is solely on the spectrum does NOT intentionally hurt other people for the sake of hurtng/attacking others; it's usually a lack of social skills and developmental abilities to control their feelings. However, with a child with a behavior disorder or conduct disorder, the intent is definitely there in that moment, and the child may or may not ever feel remorse. The child also has the ability to differentiate between right and wrong and then CHOOSES the wrong action, not because of a developmental delay in understanding what is appropriate or the inability to process quickly enough to take the correct action. My child is on the autism spectrum, as I mentioned previously. He is 12 years old. Until recently, I blamed everything on autism. But then I was able to obtain the services of some of the most highly qualified autism experts around, people who had done much research and worked with these children daily, with very many success stories I might add. They also work with children with psychiatric conditions such as bipolar, adhd, conduct disorder, etc. I feel so blessed to have received a HUGE education during this process, while my son is at a residential treatment facility catering to children with autism and mixed diagnoses. I now recognize that autism isn't an "excuse" to accept the behaviors mentioned above, because it is NOT autism related behavior at all. Is it a mental illness? Absolutely, but it's not the autism causing those things. The autism certainly causes other problems in the social arena but lying, stealing, intentional aggression, the inability to show remorse...... that is NOT autism. As a matter of fact, my son's autism specialist/and the head instructor over developmental disabilities at Vanderbilt has refused to see my son again for his "autism" until the psychiatric components are being better managed by a psychiatrist. I understand this now, but I was furious when she first told me this. It wasn't until my son was admitted to a top facility that I began to "get it." Amy, my son shows the exact symptoms/behaviors you mentioned. Basically, any time the word "no" is put before him, things quickly spin out of control, especially if the word "no" pertains to his use of video games or electronics. Amy, hang in there and don't give up. We have to be our children's biggest advocate. You will eventually get the answers you need. But you may have to fight to find a great doctor to manage what is going on. I wouldn't settle for one opinion or even two opinions. Child psychiatry is a very tricky field that even the best psychiatrists admit is difficult to practice in. Identifying one condition from another at young ages is very difficult. [/QUOTE]
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