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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 165686" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Hi there.</p><p>I'm also wondering why he was never evaluated by a neuropsychologist or why he's not in therapy. It may not have helped him before, but I question giving up completely when the child is so "out of it." In my layman's opinion there is probably something else going on besides what has been diagnosed. Are there any psychiatric problems on either side of the family tree? Substance abuse, including bio. mom? </p><p>This is my take on it. If he is THAT apathetic all the time about EVERYTHING, my guess is that he is probably using drugs, a lot more than pot, or else he is high on pot every day. He could also be using downers that may not show up on drug tests or even over the counter medications. My daughter was a drug user. Although she always worked, and even went to tech school while using drugs (amazing, huh?) she was confrontational, sneaky, a thief and could stare me in the eyes and lie without flinching. These are characteristics of drug users. Also, parents rarely know the extent of a teen's drug use. We thought she was only using pot sometimes. We found out after she'd quit, that she had used everything and had gone so far as to shoot up heroin twice. To say she fooled us is an understatement. Part of that is she would normally get high at night after we were asleep and would just be "coming down" during the day, thus her "I-don't-give-a-darn" attitude. </p><p>My daughter has informed me that crushing ADHD drugs in a pillcrusher is VERY common...then the kids snort them, either alone or with cocaine-like drugs. Then they need downers to get some sleep. We did make her leave at 18, and she turned it around. </p><p>If I were you, I wouldn't give him a dime. Regardless of what may be wrong with him or what he may or may not be using, if he has no money, he'll HAVE to get a job. I wouldn't pay for car insurance either. My daughter paid for her own car insurance. In the end, I truly believe that it was my daughter's work ethic that got her clean. She did get a job after we threw her out, but that wasn't new to her--she'd always worked. She lost her allowance when she started smoking cigarettes--we decided not to fund such a bad habit. At that time, we still didn't know of her drug use, but then she got busted. She did graduate Cosmetology School (drugs and all) and she decided she was "tired of myself." So she got clean.</p><p>Kids who use drugs usually say "I smoke pot" or "I smoke pot sometimes" but that is rarely the whole story. </p><p>I would also question his diagnoses although, if he is non-compliant with therapy, he is unlikely to change much. Did he ever have any early developmental issues? Speech problems? Early peer problems? Are there any mood disorders he could have inherited?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 165686, member: 1550"] Hi there. I'm also wondering why he was never evaluated by a neuropsychologist or why he's not in therapy. It may not have helped him before, but I question giving up completely when the child is so "out of it." In my layman's opinion there is probably something else going on besides what has been diagnosed. Are there any psychiatric problems on either side of the family tree? Substance abuse, including bio. mom? This is my take on it. If he is THAT apathetic all the time about EVERYTHING, my guess is that he is probably using drugs, a lot more than pot, or else he is high on pot every day. He could also be using downers that may not show up on drug tests or even over the counter medications. My daughter was a drug user. Although she always worked, and even went to tech school while using drugs (amazing, huh?) she was confrontational, sneaky, a thief and could stare me in the eyes and lie without flinching. These are characteristics of drug users. Also, parents rarely know the extent of a teen's drug use. We thought she was only using pot sometimes. We found out after she'd quit, that she had used everything and had gone so far as to shoot up heroin twice. To say she fooled us is an understatement. Part of that is she would normally get high at night after we were asleep and would just be "coming down" during the day, thus her "I-don't-give-a-darn" attitude. My daughter has informed me that crushing ADHD drugs in a pillcrusher is VERY common...then the kids snort them, either alone or with cocaine-like drugs. Then they need downers to get some sleep. We did make her leave at 18, and she turned it around. If I were you, I wouldn't give him a dime. Regardless of what may be wrong with him or what he may or may not be using, if he has no money, he'll HAVE to get a job. I wouldn't pay for car insurance either. My daughter paid for her own car insurance. In the end, I truly believe that it was my daughter's work ethic that got her clean. She did get a job after we threw her out, but that wasn't new to her--she'd always worked. She lost her allowance when she started smoking cigarettes--we decided not to fund such a bad habit. At that time, we still didn't know of her drug use, but then she got busted. She did graduate Cosmetology School (drugs and all) and she decided she was "tired of myself." So she got clean. Kids who use drugs usually say "I smoke pot" or "I smoke pot sometimes" but that is rarely the whole story. I would also question his diagnoses although, if he is non-compliant with therapy, he is unlikely to change much. Did he ever have any early developmental issues? Speech problems? Early peer problems? Are there any mood disorders he could have inherited? [/QUOTE]
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