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<blockquote data-quote="WSM" data-source="post: 192939" data-attributes="member: 5169"><p>Our boy11 has ODD without tantrums, so it's been hard to get a diagnosis. He also does not have any kind of autism or ADHD, ADD. His mother is severely incapacitated with bipolar and two maternal uncles are schizophrenic. He is showing signs of some paranoia, but it's hard to distinguish against paranoia and, "I didn't throw away my school uniform and book bag again, twice in two weeks. Somebody took it." </p><p> </p><p>He does not yet seem to have either the bipolar or the schizophrenia.</p><p> </p><p>Instead of temper tantrums, he expresses his rage by furtive sabotage. He throws/hides EVERYTHING of his: shoes, bikes, toys, vitamins, uniforms, school supplies, books, homework, bathing suits, halloween costumes--you name it, it disappears. He also throws away his little sister's stuff, her halloween costume, her favorite presents, her prettiest dresses, some of her toys. Not as much or consistently as his own stuff, but often enough. And he targets his dad's stuff, camera, cell phone, pictures, paperwork...</p><p> </p><p>But that's not just all, he lies. He likes to accuse people of abuse, he refuses to turn on a light to do homework and will sit in the dark, black dark, he sneaks outside at night, he used to stand all night facing a wall until he fell to the floor asleep (he stopped after about a year because we completely ignored it), he douses his bed with water, weird things that make no sense, but provoke negative attention. If he gets positive attention, he ups the ante, and punishes whoever gave him positive attention by doing more of the same--altho he clearly likes the positive attention.</p><p> </p><p>He also has a thinking disorder, attachment disorder, mild obsessive compulsive disorder. But not ADHD, mental illness, austism spectrum diagnosis--and no tantrums and screaming or backtalking.</p><p> </p><p>It makes it sooooooooooo hard to get anyone to take you seriously. They are concerned that he takes weapons to school, but let it go (after arresting him) because he didn't threaten anyone, wasn't bullying and isn't being bullied. He escaped mandatory expulsion 4 times because he managed to convince them that someone must have planted them on him. Even though he's admitted to the first two times, even though fingerprint analysis showed no other fingerprints, even though he has claimed that there's nothing wrong with him, he's not going to change, the rest of the world is going to have to and he will do what he wants to do and that's pretty much that.</p><p> </p><p>Passive aggressive off the charts.</p><p> </p><p>But no tantrums, so polite, considerate, helpful, must be the parents, great at math (makes the school look good), such a bright little boy--it must be the parents, it can't be him. Let's overlook he's persuading the kids in his class to give him money because 'they feel sorry' for him--big bucks too, especially for 10 and 11 year olds: $20 bucks, $5 and regularly too. Nope, Son11 is a 'nice' boy with problem parents, just needs some attention, probably doesn't get any with all those brothers and sisters around. (Believe you me, he gets MORE than ALL the others combined).</p><p> </p><p>I almost think that diagnosing is a waste of time. These kids as sooooo unique. If you believe your child has ODD caused by her environment and nothing else, I for one absolutely believe you. You are with her the most, and YOU KNOW.</p><p> </p><p>I am still trying to get over a grown man throwing a child across the room into a wall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WSM, post: 192939, member: 5169"] Our boy11 has ODD without tantrums, so it's been hard to get a diagnosis. He also does not have any kind of autism or ADHD, ADD. His mother is severely incapacitated with bipolar and two maternal uncles are schizophrenic. He is showing signs of some paranoia, but it's hard to distinguish against paranoia and, "I didn't throw away my school uniform and book bag again, twice in two weeks. Somebody took it." He does not yet seem to have either the bipolar or the schizophrenia. Instead of temper tantrums, he expresses his rage by furtive sabotage. He throws/hides EVERYTHING of his: shoes, bikes, toys, vitamins, uniforms, school supplies, books, homework, bathing suits, halloween costumes--you name it, it disappears. He also throws away his little sister's stuff, her halloween costume, her favorite presents, her prettiest dresses, some of her toys. Not as much or consistently as his own stuff, but often enough. And he targets his dad's stuff, camera, cell phone, pictures, paperwork... But that's not just all, he lies. He likes to accuse people of abuse, he refuses to turn on a light to do homework and will sit in the dark, black dark, he sneaks outside at night, he used to stand all night facing a wall until he fell to the floor asleep (he stopped after about a year because we completely ignored it), he douses his bed with water, weird things that make no sense, but provoke negative attention. If he gets positive attention, he ups the ante, and punishes whoever gave him positive attention by doing more of the same--altho he clearly likes the positive attention. He also has a thinking disorder, attachment disorder, mild obsessive compulsive disorder. But not ADHD, mental illness, austism spectrum diagnosis--and no tantrums and screaming or backtalking. It makes it sooooooooooo hard to get anyone to take you seriously. They are concerned that he takes weapons to school, but let it go (after arresting him) because he didn't threaten anyone, wasn't bullying and isn't being bullied. He escaped mandatory expulsion 4 times because he managed to convince them that someone must have planted them on him. Even though he's admitted to the first two times, even though fingerprint analysis showed no other fingerprints, even though he has claimed that there's nothing wrong with him, he's not going to change, the rest of the world is going to have to and he will do what he wants to do and that's pretty much that. Passive aggressive off the charts. But no tantrums, so polite, considerate, helpful, must be the parents, great at math (makes the school look good), such a bright little boy--it must be the parents, it can't be him. Let's overlook he's persuading the kids in his class to give him money because 'they feel sorry' for him--big bucks too, especially for 10 and 11 year olds: $20 bucks, $5 and regularly too. Nope, Son11 is a 'nice' boy with problem parents, just needs some attention, probably doesn't get any with all those brothers and sisters around. (Believe you me, he gets MORE than ALL the others combined). I almost think that diagnosing is a waste of time. These kids as sooooo unique. If you believe your child has ODD caused by her environment and nothing else, I for one absolutely believe you. You are with her the most, and YOU KNOW. I am still trying to get over a grown man throwing a child across the room into a wall. [/QUOTE]
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