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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 471003" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Well...you are talking to somebody who is starting to question a bipolar diagnosis in children, considering the fact that only the US and Canada even acknowledge it. I hadn't known that when my son was diagnosed or I would have been a lot more leery of it. So I want you first off to know where I'm coming from. I'm not conviced that the symptoms often blamed on childhood bipolar are bipolar at all...I believe and this is JMO that soon that diagnosis will change to something else...there is really no evidence that kids diagnosed with bipolar grow into adults with bipolar, however not all raging etc. is Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). </p><p></p><p>Your description of your child is a lot like my son, who was misdiagnosed. He would jump from obsession to obsession and never be satisfied until he had his "fix." He is eighteen and still has obsessions, but he does not have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). My oldest son has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), and it is a lot different than what Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids go through. Rather than enjoying their obsessions, OCDers can't control unwanted thoughts or unwanted activities. My oldest son hated his Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). My Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) son loves his obsessions. They do not cause him stress unless he is removed from them. THEN that causes him stress. Moving away from his obsessive interest without fair warning drives him crazy...even though, at eighteen, he no longer melts down. His obsessions still give him much pleasure. With my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) son he got suicidal wanting to get the unwanted thoughts/obsessions out of his head. </p><p></p><p>I can also defer to my own mood disorder, which was once called bipolar II. I think mood dysregulation disorder is a far better description of it because it's NOT classic manic/depression. My moods were not controlled by changes in transition or even a bad, stimulating day. They just happened. I'd wake up and just that fast, I felt that black hole enveloping me like an endless pit of despair. In fact, I called it "the black pit." My Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) son's moods, when he was younger and still liable, were quick to change and were connected to overstimulation, transitioning, and frustration with not being able to do what he felt compelled to do. The heavy duty bipolar medications dulled him, both cognitively and motor-wise, but did not change his basic personality or the Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) and I'm really sorry I hadn't looked into it more and that husband and I had agreed to medicate him so harshly. But we were told, by our very "good" psychiatrist, that he did not have Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). Later I found out he diagnoses almost everyone with bipolar. </p><p></p><p>WE, as parents, do not have to accept any diagnosis. There are no blood tests to verify that the doctors are right. When I finally took my son to a neuropsychologist from Mayo Clinic, the neuropsychologist talked plainly to me and I will never forget when he said that he'd diagnose to the best of his ability. "We make mistakes ALL THE TIME," he said. "This is not an exact science." Actually, the neuropsychologist was quite good, what he said rang true, and we finally got the Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) diagnosis. It has been all uphill for my son since then (and medication free). This "bipolar" child has grown into a young adult who is very calm and easygoing and not in any way moody. So where did the bipolar diagnosis come from? WEll, the day he saw the shrink, he wanted me to buy him a videogame (which is a HUGE obsession with him). So he whined and climbed all over me and cried then stopped then cried again, obsessing over my buying him a videogame and when I told him we had to finish the doctor's appointment before we could discuss it, he threw himself on the floor and had a tantrum. He was eight at the time and at the mercy of his obsessions and, like most Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids, less able to control himself than "typical" child. </p><p></p><p>If I had it to d over again, I would have researched childhood bipolar much more closely. I am uneasy with how the diagnosis even came about and I am not happy with the strong medications given to kids who are alleged to have it. Also, how come only the US and Canada diagnose it? Anyhow, I would look into Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) for your child because your child has symptoms of it. Rather than a psychiatrist, I'd take him to a neuropsychologist.</p><p></p><p>To the end, our psychiatrist said "He can not have Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD)." When I asked how he knew, he shocked me with his ignorance: "If he had autism HE COULDN'T BE IN A DIFFERENT ROOM FROM YOU AND NOT MELT DOWN!!!!" </p><p></p><p>I was speechless and realized I knew more about Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) than this psychiatrist did.He is WRONG. That is classic autism, not Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD)-not otherwise specified or Aspergers (sigh). Well, I said my piece...lol. If something doesn't feel right, get another opinion. </p><p></p><p>About the lying: It's true that my son is a lousy liar, but he does try to lie to get out of trouble. He is high enough functioning to take on that "typical" behavior. However, well, he's not very good at it...lol. So cant' comment on compulsive lying.</p><p></p><p>My mood disorder almost killed me...I was suicidal all the time until I finally found the right medications, ten years later. My son is happy, even though he is different. He is even contented knowing he'll need some help as an adult. Trust me, I think Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) is not as bad as a mood disorder. This again is JMO.</p><p></p><p>Good luck. Figuring out our kids is NO easy trick!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 471003, member: 1550"] Well...you are talking to somebody who is starting to question a bipolar diagnosis in children, considering the fact that only the US and Canada even acknowledge it. I hadn't known that when my son was diagnosed or I would have been a lot more leery of it. So I want you first off to know where I'm coming from. I'm not conviced that the symptoms often blamed on childhood bipolar are bipolar at all...I believe and this is JMO that soon that diagnosis will change to something else...there is really no evidence that kids diagnosed with bipolar grow into adults with bipolar, however not all raging etc. is Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). Your description of your child is a lot like my son, who was misdiagnosed. He would jump from obsession to obsession and never be satisfied until he had his "fix." He is eighteen and still has obsessions, but he does not have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). My oldest son has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), and it is a lot different than what Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids go through. Rather than enjoying their obsessions, OCDers can't control unwanted thoughts or unwanted activities. My oldest son hated his Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). My Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) son loves his obsessions. They do not cause him stress unless he is removed from them. THEN that causes him stress. Moving away from his obsessive interest without fair warning drives him crazy...even though, at eighteen, he no longer melts down. His obsessions still give him much pleasure. With my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) son he got suicidal wanting to get the unwanted thoughts/obsessions out of his head. I can also defer to my own mood disorder, which was once called bipolar II. I think mood dysregulation disorder is a far better description of it because it's NOT classic manic/depression. My moods were not controlled by changes in transition or even a bad, stimulating day. They just happened. I'd wake up and just that fast, I felt that black hole enveloping me like an endless pit of despair. In fact, I called it "the black pit." My Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) son's moods, when he was younger and still liable, were quick to change and were connected to overstimulation, transitioning, and frustration with not being able to do what he felt compelled to do. The heavy duty bipolar medications dulled him, both cognitively and motor-wise, but did not change his basic personality or the Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) and I'm really sorry I hadn't looked into it more and that husband and I had agreed to medicate him so harshly. But we were told, by our very "good" psychiatrist, that he did not have Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). Later I found out he diagnoses almost everyone with bipolar. WE, as parents, do not have to accept any diagnosis. There are no blood tests to verify that the doctors are right. When I finally took my son to a neuropsychologist from Mayo Clinic, the neuropsychologist talked plainly to me and I will never forget when he said that he'd diagnose to the best of his ability. "We make mistakes ALL THE TIME," he said. "This is not an exact science." Actually, the neuropsychologist was quite good, what he said rang true, and we finally got the Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) diagnosis. It has been all uphill for my son since then (and medication free). This "bipolar" child has grown into a young adult who is very calm and easygoing and not in any way moody. So where did the bipolar diagnosis come from? WEll, the day he saw the shrink, he wanted me to buy him a videogame (which is a HUGE obsession with him). So he whined and climbed all over me and cried then stopped then cried again, obsessing over my buying him a videogame and when I told him we had to finish the doctor's appointment before we could discuss it, he threw himself on the floor and had a tantrum. He was eight at the time and at the mercy of his obsessions and, like most Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids, less able to control himself than "typical" child. If I had it to d over again, I would have researched childhood bipolar much more closely. I am uneasy with how the diagnosis even came about and I am not happy with the strong medications given to kids who are alleged to have it. Also, how come only the US and Canada diagnose it? Anyhow, I would look into Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) for your child because your child has symptoms of it. Rather than a psychiatrist, I'd take him to a neuropsychologist. To the end, our psychiatrist said "He can not have Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD)." When I asked how he knew, he shocked me with his ignorance: "If he had autism HE COULDN'T BE IN A DIFFERENT ROOM FROM YOU AND NOT MELT DOWN!!!!" I was speechless and realized I knew more about Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) than this psychiatrist did.He is WRONG. That is classic autism, not Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD)-not otherwise specified or Aspergers (sigh). Well, I said my piece...lol. If something doesn't feel right, get another opinion. About the lying: It's true that my son is a lousy liar, but he does try to lie to get out of trouble. He is high enough functioning to take on that "typical" behavior. However, well, he's not very good at it...lol. So cant' comment on compulsive lying. My mood disorder almost killed me...I was suicidal all the time until I finally found the right medications, ten years later. My son is happy, even though he is different. He is even contented knowing he'll need some help as an adult. Trust me, I think Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) is not as bad as a mood disorder. This again is JMO. Good luck. Figuring out our kids is NO easy trick! [/QUOTE]
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