Seeing the kind of pain you guys are in serves as a great reminder for me. It is the most unfair, selfish thing we can possibly to do the people who love us the most. This forums serves as a reminder of that, and I am very grateful for it. And Kathy is right, honesty is the only way to have a mutually beneficial relationship with others, your children included. They may not be honest, but you still can be. As an example, if nothing else. And it may show him that honesty isn't a bad thing. We rely on manipulation and dishonesty in all its forms so much that we forget that it isn't normal, or natural for other people. It becomes second nature. All relationships based on lies are flimsy and superficial at best. We become conditioned to thinking that dishonesty is an acceptable tool to use in order to get what we want. Try to show him that it isn't the best way to go about life. Do it by being honest and open with him, and maybe he will start to appreciate the benefits of honesty.
