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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 740676" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Never heard of a mental health unit you can call for an erratic person 24/7. Thats a good idea in theory but most places have no such thing. Plus no mental health team will try to handle anyone who goes off the rails. Even if it is because of mental illness. They know no magic words to calm an agitated ill person. They need force too.</p><p></p><p>I have been a mental health patient from age 23 to now and have far less faith in them than others may. I dont trust their diagnoses or solutions and if you are a patient in a hospital and tick off Dr. Feelgood or act out you will find yourself chained to a bed in a padded locked room and possibly given a shot to calm you down. I have seen it and heard the screaming patients. This was usually because a mentally ill inpatient got into a fight, swore or threatened somebody or once when a patient cut herself with a smuggled in razor (theoretically you cant have a razor or even wear your shoes in a psychiatric hospital). The ward was locked. Im sure to many it felt like prison.</p><p></p><p>Psychiatry is an inexact science and in flux. They cant tell who is dangerous or who is in mental health crisis or both. And most dont care. Talk about scary. These patients in that hospital were all mentally ill but Staff called security guards to restrain and lock them up if they got into fights due to mental illness. And this was an excellent progresdive university hospital which is why I picked it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They lock kids up too. Or they used to. In some residential treatment hospitals. I saw that too when I had to visit my foster son. That wasnt so long ago and shocked me. I digress....</p><p></p><p>These days luckily insurance doesnt pay for more than a few days in a psychiatric hospital, but its not the haven some people think.</p><p></p><p> My story is I admitted myself many years ago due to depression. I was pregnant and wanted to know what was wrong with me, why I was always so depressed. It was debilitating for me on top of severe anxietya and panic. Now I had a positive experience there and never was even close to being locked up. Staff liked me and were very kind to me. But I saw and heard the Quiet Rooms, as they were called. Everyone did.</p><p></p><p>The fact is, even mental health workers dont really understand mental illness. Its a mystery. And yes even a psychiatric patient who acts out because of mental illness will be punished by mental health professionals, at least inpatient. Sometimes they were discharged for violence, even though their mental illness caused it. But often they got the padded cell. Yes, it exists for real.</p><p></p><p>The mentally ill are expected to behave, in hospitals and in public. Now if they are psychotic and just babbling nonsense they wont get into trouble. But if they look threatening and start acting out they will be stopped forcefully if necessary just like anyone else. It doesnt matter that they are mentally ill</p><p></p><p>The cops, as the forced U.S. mental health workers, have a hard job. They have no help and have to quiet those who seem dangerous. Usually my experience has been that people who seem ill are taken to hospitals. But if somebody is acting out that person will not be allowed to be around other people even if they are taken to that hospital. The hospital will isolate them. Those Quiet Rooms are also referred to as Isolation. Padded walls. No windows to see out...just one little one facung Staff so the nurses can check on you. Sometimes a bed. Sometimes nothing. Terrifying I would think.</p><p></p><p>Right or wrong, nobody is allowed to act out in a way that looks threatening in the U.S. Nobody. There is no legal excuse unless you go to trial and are found of unsound mind. Then you are sent to one of the hospitals rather than prison. Think Andrea Yates. Is she not being punished for being mentally ill? Or is society being protected because her illness makes her dangerous? Both, I think.</p><p></p><p>I hope psychiatric hospitals are more understanding since I signed myself in so long ago. Violence was punished back then to protect the other patients... and I have heard second hand that this Quiet Room bit is still going on. In 2018.</p><p></p><p>Gives me the chills to remember. And I was treated well because I was not psychotic, was compliant, and got better. But I was scared at first when patients fought and got locked up. After ten weeks as a self admitted patient (back then your insurance let you stay as long as you needed) I was actually used to the people in the Quiet Room screaming and it stopped bothering me that much. I guess the workers became desensitized. It was happening to me. (Shudder)</p><p></p><p>I was 23 years old and had two more short stays in different hospitals due to bad medication reactions. Each time there were people taken to the Quiet Room. All the hospitals did it. Did they do it often? Usually for violence. But sometimes for mouthing off. Barbaric.</p><p></p><p>I am not sure that the mental health community has much of an idea how to help those who are mentally ill and off the rails. Compliant patients, they can help (some of them) but out of control patients who wont cooperate and act out...they are not allowed to treat anyone against his will. So they cant do much. How can cops know what to do if mental health professionals dont?</p><p></p><p>I blame sooooooo many for this mess. And it is a mess. Thats why so many mentally ill people are on the streets and in jail. Nobody knows what to really do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 740676, member: 1550"] Never heard of a mental health unit you can call for an erratic person 24/7. Thats a good idea in theory but most places have no such thing. Plus no mental health team will try to handle anyone who goes off the rails. Even if it is because of mental illness. They know no magic words to calm an agitated ill person. They need force too. I have been a mental health patient from age 23 to now and have far less faith in them than others may. I dont trust their diagnoses or solutions and if you are a patient in a hospital and tick off Dr. Feelgood or act out you will find yourself chained to a bed in a padded locked room and possibly given a shot to calm you down. I have seen it and heard the screaming patients. This was usually because a mentally ill inpatient got into a fight, swore or threatened somebody or once when a patient cut herself with a smuggled in razor (theoretically you cant have a razor or even wear your shoes in a psychiatric hospital). The ward was locked. Im sure to many it felt like prison. Psychiatry is an inexact science and in flux. They cant tell who is dangerous or who is in mental health crisis or both. And most dont care. Talk about scary. These patients in that hospital were all mentally ill but Staff called security guards to restrain and lock them up if they got into fights due to mental illness. And this was an excellent progresdive university hospital which is why I picked it. They lock kids up too. Or they used to. In some residential treatment hospitals. I saw that too when I had to visit my foster son. That wasnt so long ago and shocked me. I digress.... These days luckily insurance doesnt pay for more than a few days in a psychiatric hospital, but its not the haven some people think. My story is I admitted myself many years ago due to depression. I was pregnant and wanted to know what was wrong with me, why I was always so depressed. It was debilitating for me on top of severe anxietya and panic. Now I had a positive experience there and never was even close to being locked up. Staff liked me and were very kind to me. But I saw and heard the Quiet Rooms, as they were called. Everyone did. The fact is, even mental health workers dont really understand mental illness. Its a mystery. And yes even a psychiatric patient who acts out because of mental illness will be punished by mental health professionals, at least inpatient. Sometimes they were discharged for violence, even though their mental illness caused it. But often they got the padded cell. Yes, it exists for real. The mentally ill are expected to behave, in hospitals and in public. Now if they are psychotic and just babbling nonsense they wont get into trouble. But if they look threatening and start acting out they will be stopped forcefully if necessary just like anyone else. It doesnt matter that they are mentally ill The cops, as the forced U.S. mental health workers, have a hard job. They have no help and have to quiet those who seem dangerous. Usually my experience has been that people who seem ill are taken to hospitals. But if somebody is acting out that person will not be allowed to be around other people even if they are taken to that hospital. The hospital will isolate them. Those Quiet Rooms are also referred to as Isolation. Padded walls. No windows to see out...just one little one facung Staff so the nurses can check on you. Sometimes a bed. Sometimes nothing. Terrifying I would think. Right or wrong, nobody is allowed to act out in a way that looks threatening in the U.S. Nobody. There is no legal excuse unless you go to trial and are found of unsound mind. Then you are sent to one of the hospitals rather than prison. Think Andrea Yates. Is she not being punished for being mentally ill? Or is society being protected because her illness makes her dangerous? Both, I think. I hope psychiatric hospitals are more understanding since I signed myself in so long ago. Violence was punished back then to protect the other patients... and I have heard second hand that this Quiet Room bit is still going on. In 2018. Gives me the chills to remember. And I was treated well because I was not psychotic, was compliant, and got better. But I was scared at first when patients fought and got locked up. After ten weeks as a self admitted patient (back then your insurance let you stay as long as you needed) I was actually used to the people in the Quiet Room screaming and it stopped bothering me that much. I guess the workers became desensitized. It was happening to me. (Shudder) I was 23 years old and had two more short stays in different hospitals due to bad medication reactions. Each time there were people taken to the Quiet Room. All the hospitals did it. Did they do it often? Usually for violence. But sometimes for mouthing off. Barbaric. I am not sure that the mental health community has much of an idea how to help those who are mentally ill and off the rails. Compliant patients, they can help (some of them) but out of control patients who wont cooperate and act out...they are not allowed to treat anyone against his will. So they cant do much. How can cops know what to do if mental health professionals dont? I blame sooooooo many for this mess. And it is a mess. Thats why so many mentally ill people are on the streets and in jail. Nobody knows what to really do. [/QUOTE]
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