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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 238876" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>That's the problem, TL. I initially asked for in home help, to include crisis planning/intervention, supervision and mentorship, financial help, possibly repsite, tutoring, and case management. There are places around here that have those services available as part of in-home, if the funding group contracts them to provide them to a family. But, the county mental health does not provide those- their in-home is ONLY a therapist at the home. This is exactly why it is not enough at this point to keep us/me afloat. </p><p></p><p>Even if it was though, based on my experience with the mst guy, the county therapist will get his "info" (basicly, their preconceived notions) about us before he even meets us and would show up with the same attitudes that this guy exhibited yesterday. I don't see hhow any therapy can be effective when someone shows up discrediting everything you say and not being willing to listen to what you feel the problems are because as mst guy said "we don't have time for that, I already know what the problems are". Then, when things aren't going smoothly, it's obviously because the parent is not coompliant. When I asked about this yesterday, the mouthy guy said "well, whatever my biases were, whether its because someone is black, or white or asian, get them on the table now". That was really odd- the PO is a different race than me, but the mst guy was not. Obviously, that had nothing to do with it. It may be that the PO had them convinced that I was prejudicial against her due to race- but that's BS. I can't stand her- but it has nothing to do with race. It's because she exhibits an attitudee towards us and undermines my parenting efforts. The GAL implied to me that it might be because of the PO's biases against white people. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, it was clear that they had already gotten info from school and PO before I went in there yesterday and they had their minds made up. It was also clear that what the mouthy guy really wanted was for mst to be started again. But at least the others didn't back that up. He said "we deal with the behavioral problems first, then if there are any mental health issues left, we'll deal with them". I just said, well, that won't work- that's how I started out 3 years ago and I've had too many tdocs end up telling me that they simply can't make that work until stabilization is gained thru medications. Why would they push for mst instead of treatment that is recommended for my son? because mst is the only "therapy" that is paid for through Department of Juvenile Justice instead of county funding.</p><p></p><p>I can't believe that the mental health people were really mental health profs- all one of them said was "did I make my son do chores", then "did I think he couldn't learn any differently". If it's all my fault, then let someone else raise him. Let them do a better job. Nothing will work this way if they are convinced that the only problem here is me and bad parenting.</p><p></p><p>I told them I had difficult child evaluation'd and had written recommended treatment strategies from an authority on mood disorders. The guy never asked me what those were. He asked the lady from mental health what she recommended- A or B. Now, how would she know what treatment would be in my son's best interest? She never met him, just had met me, and only knew what they had discussed about us with other people.</p><p></p><p>The basic in home therapist was recommended by psychiatric hospital the first time difficult child was in the psychiatric hospital 3 years ago, but I could not get it. Then, it was recommended again 2 years ago by psychiatrist, but GAL screwed up and ASSUMED that psychiatrist meant MST so she recommended that to the judge and it got ordered. When I realized that MST was nothing more than an all-inclusive behavior contract and that other treatment was recommended for difficult child, I took this to court and had order for MST to be removed but asked if any other type of in home service could be provided. I was told NO, but order for MST was removed. That was exactly 1 year ago. Now, I'm in dire straights in other areas because I have been covering it all myself and it will take more than a therapist to help with it- no matter how many hours or where we have access to him/her. Yet, NOW they are offering an in home therapist- but nothing else.</p><p></p><p>Maybe I should get documentaion of that to include with my response about why I'm not accepting it now. Obviously, they don't want to offer more because they would have to pay to contracat someone outside of the county to provide it.</p><p></p><p>The comment from DSS that an Residential Treatment Center (RTC) placement would be too traumatic and difficult child would learn worse behavior just kills me. I thought about it all night long. This kid is facing commitment to state juvy prison-long term (suspended senteence), with NO mental health treatment. I'm doing everything in my power to get him stabile and prevent further illegal activity, but they are going to do nothing. Apparently they don't believe that would be traumatic or exposing difficult child to the worst. It's because they don't want the cost coming from the county funding. The cost would be coming out of the state's budget.</p><p></p><p>My therapist used to work as a screener or something for Residential Treatment Center (RTC) placement in her early years and she said she had to work with people in these systems and that's what it boils down to. None of them want it coming out of their budget. I said "so much for the value of life". They are letting my son's go down the tubes, yet blaming me for it.</p><p></p><p>When he's stable and I tell people in the system, they argue that and act like they don't believe it. But when I try to tell them that he is not at all stable right now, they roll their eyes and act like I'm just not a good parent. They blame parents for not working with them- I think it's more like THEY have it in their minds that parents are beneath them, are idiots, and they want to cut the parents out of everything, or just order them around. Every person that works for this county, except the judge, the clerk, and the nice lady at intake, has treated me that way. You know how people in the sd can be when you are discussiing an iep and accommodations for your kid? Spread that to all the county people that are supposed to be there to help the kid and the family and that's where we are. </p><p></p><p>I kick myself in the butt daily for moving here. If I could sell this house quickly and get enough to even pay off most debts, I'd have us out of here in a month.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 238876, member: 3699"] That's the problem, TL. I initially asked for in home help, to include crisis planning/intervention, supervision and mentorship, financial help, possibly repsite, tutoring, and case management. There are places around here that have those services available as part of in-home, if the funding group contracts them to provide them to a family. But, the county mental health does not provide those- their in-home is ONLY a therapist at the home. This is exactly why it is not enough at this point to keep us/me afloat. Even if it was though, based on my experience with the mst guy, the county therapist will get his "info" (basicly, their preconceived notions) about us before he even meets us and would show up with the same attitudes that this guy exhibited yesterday. I don't see hhow any therapy can be effective when someone shows up discrediting everything you say and not being willing to listen to what you feel the problems are because as mst guy said "we don't have time for that, I already know what the problems are". Then, when things aren't going smoothly, it's obviously because the parent is not coompliant. When I asked about this yesterday, the mouthy guy said "well, whatever my biases were, whether its because someone is black, or white or asian, get them on the table now". That was really odd- the PO is a different race than me, but the mst guy was not. Obviously, that had nothing to do with it. It may be that the PO had them convinced that I was prejudicial against her due to race- but that's BS. I can't stand her- but it has nothing to do with race. It's because she exhibits an attitudee towards us and undermines my parenting efforts. The GAL implied to me that it might be because of the PO's biases against white people. Anyway, it was clear that they had already gotten info from school and PO before I went in there yesterday and they had their minds made up. It was also clear that what the mouthy guy really wanted was for mst to be started again. But at least the others didn't back that up. He said "we deal with the behavioral problems first, then if there are any mental health issues left, we'll deal with them". I just said, well, that won't work- that's how I started out 3 years ago and I've had too many tdocs end up telling me that they simply can't make that work until stabilization is gained thru medications. Why would they push for mst instead of treatment that is recommended for my son? because mst is the only "therapy" that is paid for through Department of Juvenile Justice instead of county funding. I can't believe that the mental health people were really mental health profs- all one of them said was "did I make my son do chores", then "did I think he couldn't learn any differently". If it's all my fault, then let someone else raise him. Let them do a better job. Nothing will work this way if they are convinced that the only problem here is me and bad parenting. I told them I had difficult child evaluation'd and had written recommended treatment strategies from an authority on mood disorders. The guy never asked me what those were. He asked the lady from mental health what she recommended- A or B. Now, how would she know what treatment would be in my son's best interest? She never met him, just had met me, and only knew what they had discussed about us with other people. The basic in home therapist was recommended by psychiatric hospital the first time difficult child was in the psychiatric hospital 3 years ago, but I could not get it. Then, it was recommended again 2 years ago by psychiatrist, but GAL screwed up and ASSUMED that psychiatrist meant MST so she recommended that to the judge and it got ordered. When I realized that MST was nothing more than an all-inclusive behavior contract and that other treatment was recommended for difficult child, I took this to court and had order for MST to be removed but asked if any other type of in home service could be provided. I was told NO, but order for MST was removed. That was exactly 1 year ago. Now, I'm in dire straights in other areas because I have been covering it all myself and it will take more than a therapist to help with it- no matter how many hours or where we have access to him/her. Yet, NOW they are offering an in home therapist- but nothing else. Maybe I should get documentaion of that to include with my response about why I'm not accepting it now. Obviously, they don't want to offer more because they would have to pay to contracat someone outside of the county to provide it. The comment from DSS that an Residential Treatment Center (RTC) placement would be too traumatic and difficult child would learn worse behavior just kills me. I thought about it all night long. This kid is facing commitment to state juvy prison-long term (suspended senteence), with NO mental health treatment. I'm doing everything in my power to get him stabile and prevent further illegal activity, but they are going to do nothing. Apparently they don't believe that would be traumatic or exposing difficult child to the worst. It's because they don't want the cost coming from the county funding. The cost would be coming out of the state's budget. My therapist used to work as a screener or something for Residential Treatment Center (RTC) placement in her early years and she said she had to work with people in these systems and that's what it boils down to. None of them want it coming out of their budget. I said "so much for the value of life". They are letting my son's go down the tubes, yet blaming me for it. When he's stable and I tell people in the system, they argue that and act like they don't believe it. But when I try to tell them that he is not at all stable right now, they roll their eyes and act like I'm just not a good parent. They blame parents for not working with them- I think it's more like THEY have it in their minds that parents are beneath them, are idiots, and they want to cut the parents out of everything, or just order them around. Every person that works for this county, except the judge, the clerk, and the nice lady at intake, has treated me that way. You know how people in the sd can be when you are discussiing an iep and accommodations for your kid? Spread that to all the county people that are supposed to be there to help the kid and the family and that's where we are. I kick myself in the butt daily for moving here. If I could sell this house quickly and get enough to even pay off most debts, I'd have us out of here in a month. [/QUOTE]
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