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The win and the loss
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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 676814" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>See above (in relation to this post)</p><p></p><p>I tried to find the name of the deep structures of which I was thinking. In the above post. I think what I was thinking of was the concept in geology, the deep structures that determine structural evolution in the earth, in dependent of what can be seen or sensed. </p><p></p><p>But deep structures also exist in motor learning, and the concept of deep structures is central in linguistics, too. </p><p></p><p>So I came upon a book called something like Becoming Batman, which looked at what happens to our dormant motor learning, that we do not use for a long time. </p><p>The idea of Batman is that he is a timid person, who in a moment, transforms himself. I think the book looks at the feasibility of that. For a regular human, through martial arts training.</p><p></p><p>I was thinking about two allied things: One is that I was wondering if trauma affects deep structures of motor learning. And if so, how? There is nothing at all that comes up to discuss this, in a cursory google search.</p><p></p><p>The other thing I thought about, with the tango shoes and feet was the idea of batman-like transformation. </p><p></p><p>I loved both feet pictures. (I had good legs--which I hid.) As you know Cedar, the ritual of changing your shoes, of arriving to the dance studio with your shoes in a bag. The unpeeling of street shoes, the putting on of dance shoes. <em>Is almost the most important thing.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>In my case in Rio I would walk through packed streets with my bag of shoes towards the studio. You cannot imagine the power I felt. It is the strongest I remember feeling in my whole life. I felt the eyes of the world on me. </p><p></p><p>When I came back to the States and went back to work, I would buy not tango shoes, but <em>bags for my shoes</em>. I would buy them at the second hand store. I may have 50. (Not to worry. I paid no more than two dollars.) Because that walk to the studio was as important to me, as the dance. It was the transformation, I think. The process of <em>becoming Batman</em>. </p><p></p><p>I am thinking here that the reason that formalized dance might be so emancipating for people like us is the relearning of deep motor structures. In tango there are only like 8 basic patterns. Everything thereafter is composed from these. It is like learning an entire new way of being, a way of being in the world. <em>Over which you have control. Because even if you are in the female role, following, the man, is confined to the linguistic rules.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>I remember once I was in an advanced group tango class. Almost all of my learning had been private, with the same instructor, who was teaching this class. It came to my accepting as a partner a man. Within seconds, I knew he was violating the rules, in some basic way that I did not understand. But I knew. I stopped dancing with him. I just left and went to sit down in one of the chairs that were lined up to either change shoes or to watch. (I am again thinking here how important is this space.)</p><p></p><p>Later, my instructor asked me: "What happened?" All I said was "I was violated as a child." This is exactly what happened. How it unfolded. No other words were spoken.</p><p></p><p>I will go back to your post now.</p><p></p><p>COPA</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 676814, member: 18958"] See above (in relation to this post) I tried to find the name of the deep structures of which I was thinking. In the above post. I think what I was thinking of was the concept in geology, the deep structures that determine structural evolution in the earth, in dependent of what can be seen or sensed. But deep structures also exist in motor learning, and the concept of deep structures is central in linguistics, too. So I came upon a book called something like Becoming Batman, which looked at what happens to our dormant motor learning, that we do not use for a long time. The idea of Batman is that he is a timid person, who in a moment, transforms himself. I think the book looks at the feasibility of that. For a regular human, through martial arts training. I was thinking about two allied things: One is that I was wondering if trauma affects deep structures of motor learning. And if so, how? There is nothing at all that comes up to discuss this, in a cursory google search. The other thing I thought about, with the tango shoes and feet was the idea of batman-like transformation. I loved both feet pictures. (I had good legs--which I hid.) As you know Cedar, the ritual of changing your shoes, of arriving to the dance studio with your shoes in a bag. The unpeeling of street shoes, the putting on of dance shoes. [I]Is almost the most important thing. [/I] In my case in Rio I would walk through packed streets with my bag of shoes towards the studio. You cannot imagine the power I felt. It is the strongest I remember feeling in my whole life. I felt the eyes of the world on me. When I came back to the States and went back to work, I would buy not tango shoes, but [I]bags for my shoes[/I]. I would buy them at the second hand store. I may have 50. (Not to worry. I paid no more than two dollars.) Because that walk to the studio was as important to me, as the dance. It was the transformation, I think. The process of [I]becoming Batman[/I]. I am thinking here that the reason that formalized dance might be so emancipating for people like us is the relearning of deep motor structures. In tango there are only like 8 basic patterns. Everything thereafter is composed from these. It is like learning an entire new way of being, a way of being in the world. [I]Over which you have control. Because even if you are in the female role, following, the man, is confined to the linguistic rules. [/I] I remember once I was in an advanced group tango class. Almost all of my learning had been private, with the same instructor, who was teaching this class. It came to my accepting as a partner a man. Within seconds, I knew he was violating the rules, in some basic way that I did not understand. But I knew. I stopped dancing with him. I just left and went to sit down in one of the chairs that were lined up to either change shoes or to watch. (I am again thinking here how important is this space.) Later, my instructor asked me: "What happened?" All I said was "I was violated as a child." This is exactly what happened. How it unfolded. No other words were spoken. I will go back to your post now. COPA [I][/I] [/QUOTE]
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