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<blockquote data-quote="Farmwife" data-source="post: 380819" data-attributes="member: 8617"><p>I can't say what I am really thinking or it would get bleeped and I would get in trouble.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>Just a simple thought;</p><p> </p><p><strong>"least restrictive environment"</strong></p><p> </p><p>Not sure how the authorities being called to potentially arrest a YOUNG child with a demonstrable IEP/BIP covering condition is least restrictive. The school has documented (incriminated itself) with non compliance with the IEP/BIP.</p><p> </p><p>Furthermore, placing him in a special school (unless you prefer it) without actually following the IEP/BIP first is likewise not least restrictive. Our school is under focused monitoring by the state for this very thing...</p><p> </p><p>I see wees difficulties as perfectly illustrating that;</p><p> </p><p>1. He clearly needs his plans to be followed</p><p>and</p><p>2. They are not following through as legally obligated</p><p> </p><p>Perhaps request an IEP review meeting (fight fire with fire) and tell them you want written documentation of both the attempt to place him in the alternative school as well as <strong>all</strong> incident reports in which wee's behavior was an issue and how the para implemented the REQUIRED strategies to prevent a meltdown. You have an absolute right to complete transparency of his care and records. </p><p> </p><p>Furthermore, as a member of his IEP team I would think they were obligated to inform you of trying to place him at the other school as that would have been a change in IEP without notice, no?</p><p> </p><p>I mean, heck! If they want to call out Johnny law on an freakin' 8 year old (pardon my french) and try to turn him into some ill raised monster in the courts eyes they better darn tootin' have some real and legit. evidence to back it up. Know what I'm sayin'?</p><p> </p><p>I guess I fail to see how their failure to do their jobs and wee, a clearly needy student acting exactly as should be expected when he is mismanaged makes HIM the problem. </p><p> </p><p>Getting wrapped up in the "system" hoovers, no doubt about it. That doesn't make them right though, now does it? I'm not an expert but I would venture to guess that any potential cases over his behavior are a juvenile criminal/family court issue whereas a school case is either under the school board mediation judge or if you sue a civil matter. Civil cases are NOT generally heard in the same court as criminal. (I hate to use the word criminal but that is the two basic categories of courts) So, the court may busy itself with your private affairs as a parent but a criminal juvie judge has zero jurisdiction over school issues. (it's like a traffic court judge ordering a divorce, just not gonna happen) They may be able to order you to do things as a parent like go to counseling but they cannot order the school out of it's responsibility. Know what I mean??</p><p> </p><p>I would also make sure to mention the schools history with wee to any potential liasons between yourself and the juvenile authority should it come to that. The juvie system has less time, money and inclination to deal with you than you think. The school passing the buck just taxes an already overworked and abused system. The last thing they want is to clean up a lazy schools mess. It isn't their mess to clean up and trying to funnel a child into the system at 8 doesn't look especially good. Don't think the school won't come under just as much scrutiny as you. </p><p> </p><p>DOCUMENT EVERYTHING.</p><p> </p><p>Like I said, I am no expert but if and I do mean if, if if if you could afford an attorney or have an access to advocates you sound like you have a heck of a legal case against the school building. </p><p> </p><p>Have you taken any steps to file official complaints and grievances? It sounds like you are getting backed into a corner where you may have no other choice but to do so before the school tries to throw wee in front of a bus.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite4" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":mad:" /></p><p> </p><p>I'm so angry on your behalf!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>by the way, is there anyway you could go with him on Monday and intervene with the para when they are clearly not following the iep/bip? Something like an "excuse me, but if you read the iep you would know this is not how we are supposed to handle this sort of behavior"...kind of like reminding them how to do their job?!?!? Show them examples of when and how to do it right...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Farmwife, post: 380819, member: 8617"] I can't say what I am really thinking or it would get bleeped and I would get in trouble.:happy: Just a simple thought; [B]"least restrictive environment"[/B] Not sure how the authorities being called to potentially arrest a YOUNG child with a demonstrable IEP/BIP covering condition is least restrictive. The school has documented (incriminated itself) with non compliance with the IEP/BIP. Furthermore, placing him in a special school (unless you prefer it) without actually following the IEP/BIP first is likewise not least restrictive. Our school is under focused monitoring by the state for this very thing... I see wees difficulties as perfectly illustrating that; 1. He clearly needs his plans to be followed and 2. They are not following through as legally obligated Perhaps request an IEP review meeting (fight fire with fire) and tell them you want written documentation of both the attempt to place him in the alternative school as well as [B]all[/B] incident reports in which wee's behavior was an issue and how the para implemented the REQUIRED strategies to prevent a meltdown. You have an absolute right to complete transparency of his care and records. Furthermore, as a member of his IEP team I would think they were obligated to inform you of trying to place him at the other school as that would have been a change in IEP without notice, no? I mean, heck! If they want to call out Johnny law on an freakin' 8 year old (pardon my french) and try to turn him into some ill raised monster in the courts eyes they better darn tootin' have some real and legit. evidence to back it up. Know what I'm sayin'? I guess I fail to see how their failure to do their jobs and wee, a clearly needy student acting exactly as should be expected when he is mismanaged makes HIM the problem. Getting wrapped up in the "system" hoovers, no doubt about it. That doesn't make them right though, now does it? I'm not an expert but I would venture to guess that any potential cases over his behavior are a juvenile criminal/family court issue whereas a school case is either under the school board mediation judge or if you sue a civil matter. Civil cases are NOT generally heard in the same court as criminal. (I hate to use the word criminal but that is the two basic categories of courts) So, the court may busy itself with your private affairs as a parent but a criminal juvie judge has zero jurisdiction over school issues. (it's like a traffic court judge ordering a divorce, just not gonna happen) They may be able to order you to do things as a parent like go to counseling but they cannot order the school out of it's responsibility. Know what I mean?? I would also make sure to mention the schools history with wee to any potential liasons between yourself and the juvenile authority should it come to that. The juvie system has less time, money and inclination to deal with you than you think. The school passing the buck just taxes an already overworked and abused system. The last thing they want is to clean up a lazy schools mess. It isn't their mess to clean up and trying to funnel a child into the system at 8 doesn't look especially good. Don't think the school won't come under just as much scrutiny as you. DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Like I said, I am no expert but if and I do mean if, if if if you could afford an attorney or have an access to advocates you sound like you have a heck of a legal case against the school building. Have you taken any steps to file official complaints and grievances? It sounds like you are getting backed into a corner where you may have no other choice but to do so before the school tries to throw wee in front of a bus.:angry: I'm so angry on your behalf! by the way, is there anyway you could go with him on Monday and intervene with the para when they are clearly not following the iep/bip? Something like an "excuse me, but if you read the iep you would know this is not how we are supposed to handle this sort of behavior"...kind of like reminding them how to do their job?!?!? Show them examples of when and how to do it right... [/QUOTE]
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