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<blockquote data-quote="Scent of Cedar *" data-source="post: 658368" data-attributes="member: 17461"><p>Well, no. But you would be surprised, alot.</p><p></p><p>This is probably why D H says I would not be able to handle my mother or my sister appropriately if something were to happen to him, or to our marriage. I believe him. But it is disconcerting to think I can't or don't choose to, see correctly.</p><p></p><p>That is why I work so hard to see correctly, on the FOO threads.</p><p></p><p>But I still don't like to believe those things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes!</p><p></p><p>But I am at a stopping point regarding continuing to do what seems like the right thing. There really are people who know what they are doing and continue to do that same kind of thing, for no reason that makes any sense at all, every single time.</p><p></p><p>So, you would have to call them on it, every single time.</p><p></p><p>And that is why they explode all over a person and say things about you always having been whatever, or how they have to distance themselves from you because you are too toxic to them, and they have to do the right thing for themselves so they will not be sullied or destroyed by their contact with and loyalty to, you.</p><p></p><p>You've called them at their own game that they thought you never saw. But you did all along of course. But you believed in them.</p><p></p><p>That must be why I say I believe my sister, but I no longer believe in her.</p><p></p><p>That felt like a really mean thing to share, here on the site.</p><p></p><p>Which is a hard thing, when you have that lust of vengeance thing going on, like I do. But even there, the thing to be dealt with is the lust of vengeance, and the hurt and shame beneath its genesis, and not the person, at all.</p><p></p><p>I see you.</p><p></p><p><em>No, you only see yourself.</em></p><p></p><p>And that is true for my sister, too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes exactly. An act of defiance, all banners flying.</p><p></p><p>Here is the thing with Satanists. If you believe in Satan, then you have also to believe in the opposite. A Satanist, by definition, cannot be anything other than a believer in the very thing they are determined to discredit. Believing in its opposite enough to desecrate things <em>using the self same symbology</em> is a true proof that the good in the Christ and the Mary and all those incredible teachings is real to the Satanist, whether he wants to see that or not.</p><p></p><p>So, why would he or she choose that other kind of believing. To a rational person, that would make no sense, no rational sense, at all.</p><p></p><p>People are not rational sometimes. I have worked with people who found power in that kind of believing. But to me, I could only see that they were that scared, and that powerless, that they needed that to believe what they believed.</p><p></p><p>Like we all believe what we need to, I suppose.</p><p></p><p>And their hearts are so broken when they wind up in psychiatric.</p><p></p><p>Just so broken, when they tell their so helpless secrets; when they have to let that go and just be human, like everyone.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Very nicely put, Copa.</p><p></p><p>But I think we also change what others see, or sort of change the nature of how we will define whatever it is that we will come across next. I think we are responsible to ourselves and everyone else in that way. Take the times when witches were burnt. How could that happen and, once it did, once that was a widely held belief ~ that there were people entrapped and that the way to free them was to burn them alive ~ how could it just end?</p><p></p><p>Like a terrible movie where everyone just throws down their costumes at the end of the day and finds something else to do?</p><p></p><p>Or like the terrorists, today. They are acting out of belief systems that preclude their ability to see anything else. They are hurting people without a second thought, to get everyone's attention. In reality, they are trapped back in some other system of morality we have all grown beyond. We are busy trying to figure out how to solve hunger or end diseases or aging or suffering on every level. And I think we are doing that. I think our children are seeing differently, and will change how we all see, because of it.</p><p></p><p>Where was I going, again?</p><p></p><p>Lost it.</p><p></p><p>I was heading for this: This information regarding perception is precisely what the mystics in every spiritual belief I am aware of ~ this is what they say, too.</p><p></p><p>***</p><p></p><p>Oh, I agree, SWOT.</p><p></p><p>This was an excellent thread.</p><p></p><p>Thank you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scent of Cedar *, post: 658368, member: 17461"] Well, no. But you would be surprised, alot. This is probably why D H says I would not be able to handle my mother or my sister appropriately if something were to happen to him, or to our marriage. I believe him. But it is disconcerting to think I can't or don't choose to, see correctly. That is why I work so hard to see correctly, on the FOO threads. But I still don't like to believe those things. Yes! But I am at a stopping point regarding continuing to do what seems like the right thing. There really are people who know what they are doing and continue to do that same kind of thing, for no reason that makes any sense at all, every single time. So, you would have to call them on it, every single time. And that is why they explode all over a person and say things about you always having been whatever, or how they have to distance themselves from you because you are too toxic to them, and they have to do the right thing for themselves so they will not be sullied or destroyed by their contact with and loyalty to, you. You've called them at their own game that they thought you never saw. But you did all along of course. But you believed in them. That must be why I say I believe my sister, but I no longer believe in her. That felt like a really mean thing to share, here on the site. Which is a hard thing, when you have that lust of vengeance thing going on, like I do. But even there, the thing to be dealt with is the lust of vengeance, and the hurt and shame beneath its genesis, and not the person, at all. I see you. [I]No, you only see yourself.[/I] And that is true for my sister, too. Yes exactly. An act of defiance, all banners flying. Here is the thing with Satanists. If you believe in Satan, then you have also to believe in the opposite. A Satanist, by definition, cannot be anything other than a believer in the very thing they are determined to discredit. Believing in its opposite enough to desecrate things [I]using the self same symbology[/I] is a true proof that the good in the Christ and the Mary and all those incredible teachings is real to the Satanist, whether he wants to see that or not. So, why would he or she choose that other kind of believing. To a rational person, that would make no sense, no rational sense, at all. People are not rational sometimes. I have worked with people who found power in that kind of believing. But to me, I could only see that they were that scared, and that powerless, that they needed that to believe what they believed. Like we all believe what we need to, I suppose. And their hearts are so broken when they wind up in psychiatric. Just so broken, when they tell their so helpless secrets; when they have to let that go and just be human, like everyone. Very nicely put, Copa. But I think we also change what others see, or sort of change the nature of how we will define whatever it is that we will come across next. I think we are responsible to ourselves and everyone else in that way. Take the times when witches were burnt. How could that happen and, once it did, once that was a widely held belief ~ that there were people entrapped and that the way to free them was to burn them alive ~ how could it just end? Like a terrible movie where everyone just throws down their costumes at the end of the day and finds something else to do? Or like the terrorists, today. They are acting out of belief systems that preclude their ability to see anything else. They are hurting people without a second thought, to get everyone's attention. In reality, they are trapped back in some other system of morality we have all grown beyond. We are busy trying to figure out how to solve hunger or end diseases or aging or suffering on every level. And I think we are doing that. I think our children are seeing differently, and will change how we all see, because of it. Where was I going, again? Lost it. I was heading for this: This information regarding perception is precisely what the mystics in every spiritual belief I am aware of ~ this is what they say, too. *** Oh, I agree, SWOT. This was an excellent thread. Thank you. [/QUOTE]
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