Work and Germany Part II: Abandonment Recovery

Copabanana

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This is my favorite theory of love among the 5:

"(Love)seems remote until we encounter it enfleshed, so to say, in the life of another – in acts of kindness, generosity and self-sacrifice. Love's the one thing that can never hurt anyone, although it may cost dearly. The paradox of love is that it is supremely free yet attaches us with bonds stronger than death. It cannot be bought or sold; there is nothing it cannot face; love is life's greatest blessing."

What we may have known as love, those of us who may have suffered from that which we received, was mixed up with all kinds of other messages and actions that were not loving but hurtful. Instead of self-sacrifice or generosity, love could be self-serving, and was indeed bought and sold.

When my mother took our inheritance she valued that as greater than any love between us. That was the effect of it. Perhaps not the intention.

Because her version of love put her at the center of all things. All the rest traveled around her like planets around the sun.

I do not believe in love, I think. I believe in loving.

I do not know if I agree with the above quote, while I do like it a lot. I believe love can be this, but only in its ideal.

COPA
 

New Leaf

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Because her version of love put her at the center of all things. All the rest traveled around her like planets around the sun.
I think this is a good way to explain how love goes wrong, it can be interpreted and acted out in so many different ways. "Her version of love". Indeed, many things occur, under the guise of love.
I do not know if I agree with the above quote, while I do like it a lot. I believe love can be this, but only in its ideal.
It is an apt description of what the epitome of love is.

Of course, we are all imperfect humans, with differing opinions, ways, struggles, history and goals.
I think that is where the concept of love can get confusing.
Has anyone experienced this sort of love?
We read examples throughout time of people who have great love, and given of themselves,
Maya Angelou, Desmond Tutu, Ghandi, etc., yet, I am sure they had their faults, too.

Maybe love, forgiveness, gratitude, need to be bound together?
Or, are all of those qualities, and more, wrapped up in the package of love?

It is the great question of all time
What is love?
Then,
what is self love?

I feel today that abandonment issues are the illness, and love is the cure.
The only person I can start with, is me.
Then, if I can better understand, accept and love myself, I am better equipped to love others.

Looking at my past, understanding what happened, how it affected me, and how I felt about myself, hopefully, I can heal those places that I eventually neglected.
Coming from a history of not mattering.

The past..a lesson...the present...a gift...the future...unknown.

We all matter.
We are all special in our own unique way.

If I can heal those places, and have a better feeling about my "self", then I can begin a proper search for my meaning, and my potential. Coming from a place of acceptance. Feeling present in every way.

It is a start.
Healing sounds really good to me right now.



(((HUGS)))
leafy
 

New Leaf

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I think I can decide that my heart's desire is what I have right now. Except go East. Learn all kinds of arts and crafts and spend my days on them. Dance again. Eat in lots of restaurants. Become fit again. Have friends. Work, in a meaningful way. Travel, some. Play cards. My heart's desire is what I can have and do have. Mainly love and work.
I love this Copa.
It is right there......


leafy
 

Scent of Cedar *

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But what do they do? Do they pray? Write? Post? Walk?

Whatever brings joy I think, Copa. Very little can bring us joy, when we are certain, not only that we don't deserve joy, but that we are meant to sacrifice our joy. That is the bargain we made with our abusers. Fear for joy.

Joy is another word for love, if you think about it.

They feel the same.

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The victim in the abusive relationship will have come to believe her value (or his) is somehow connected to sacrifice. That is the dynamic beneath self-sabotage. That is the bargaining chip that never was, the means of control that controls nothing.

But it was all we had.

And we spent it in earnest when our kids were endangered.

But it didn't work for us then, either.

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Our pain, our shame or loss or grief were bargaining chips. That was the thing the abuser was after: our brokenness. When I say I broke, I mean I felt pain, I was shamed, I did grieve, I was hurt. To turn this breakage around, to imagine I have any self left to myself, I imagine my sacrifice of self to have been a willing one. I find that slim place to stand. I live, believing I have the capacity, if I sacrifice heavily enough, to control the manner and degree of hurt.

That dynamic is why we respond to the losses in our lives as we do.

It never worked, Copa. None of that stuff ever worked. The abuser abused when and for as long as they wanted to. We created the illusion of control out of what we had left. Which was nothing: pain and confusion and shame and that final, whistling in the dark place that is abandonment and that turns out to be nothing more than where we abandoned ourselves.

Given that this dynamic was created by ourselves, we can change the dynamic. We can choose, because we are strong enough to do so, to hold ourselves in compassion right in the face of whatever this is. We can read Brene Brown and just sit with the feelings and never bargain pieces of ourselves away again. We are very strong. Strong enough to sit with the feelings of shame or self-contempt and whatever other ugliness was done to us or by us.

Neither blame nor praise. Remember that quote?

That may be why the New Year's resolution to be kinder to myself worked. I still sacrificed, still skewered my hopes or appearance or kindness with self-denigration, but not as much or as deeply.

I was kinder.

Maybe, I stopped trying to go deeper. Like sailing huge ships. It takes a little time to change course. From however it was I had been taught to treat myself in some futile effort to control the hurt to "That'll do, pig.", to...now.

To now, when we can see it.

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This game of bargaining with our abusers was never real. It didn't work then and it isn't working now, when we sacrifice (By committing self sabotage in our thinking about ourselves ~ that is the nature of the sacrifice; it is that subtle a thing. And that blatant a thing. Hidden right out in the open all along. And our only weapon is to see it and boy, are we seeing it, now. Good for us.) Somehow, we still believe the dynamic our abusers taught us: that in sacrificing, in giving up, in admitting the pain, in letting them win by taking on their confusion, we can make them stop hurting us. That we had some illusory control over what was happening to us.

We never did.

From the depths of whatever their illnesses are, the eyes of those we love are blank. I have posted about that blankness, about that sense of thick, chuckling depravity, before. This is what Going North posted for us. Addiction: Nothing to do with you.

That is what we were bargaining with. Something with blank eyes. We convince ourselves it sees our sacrifice and hears us. These belief systems kept us sane in insanely dangerous situations. There was no guarantee then, when it was happening to us, that we would survive it.

That confrontation with our own mortality is part of what lives in that dark place named that pretty, civilized word that doesn't begin to touch what it is: abandonment.

That was the worst hurt, the scariest thing. We leap in to save our children.

And it doesn't work.

Oh oh.

***
We've forgotten the terror in it. We only remember sacrificing got us through, kept us going and somehow, here we are.

That is what we paid Charon for the cost of our passage.

But here's the thing, you guys. We were born flying. We never needed Charon's craft.

How does that go? Something about trusting that you have wings, and that they will hold you; that they are strong, beautiful things made for soaring flight.

That is what our abusers took from us.

But they could only take from us what we were willing to believe they had a right to take.

So: Free. Not of them, but of the sickness devouring them and what they taught us about surviving it.

They could not have been more wrong.

***

Those things were the sacrifices we brought to the table: we believed ourselves to be controlling the abuser through our pain, through our tears or our refusal to shed them; through our rage or our refusal to acknowledge it. Whether groveling or refusing to beg, the music at the core of our lives has been chosen by the abuser, and by the family system he or she created.

Once we see this, we are free.

Simple choice.

Nothing we need to do but recognize our patterns and the security in thinking the way we do. So, why we do that when it doesn't work? Maybe we are blind to it. Maybe, we had to keep ourselves blind to it because we did not have the courage yet to stand where Pema stands.

There is no balance; there is no center. Sacrificing ourselves at any level isn't working. It never worked. That whole mindset is an artifact of abuse, nothing more.

Huh.

We come real.

***

Protecting our core selves from our rotten abusers has been a primary value. The pain we are in when our children are hurt ~ somehow, we slip that into the original programming and begin sacrificing for real this time. Believing in self sacrifice, punishing ourselves in every smallest gluttony or asceticism, we demand of ourselves a strength no longer required and that never worked in the first place.

Recovering Enabler posted to me once: Hair shirt.

This is from Urban Dictionary:

"My brother sinner, even though I completely understand your need for purgation, there isn't a man among us with half a conscience who doesn't keep a hair shirt as a permanent part of his wardrobe."

Self sacrifice, self sabotage, self hatred, in an effort to control something we believe we can and have controlled. We didn't.

That is not the way.

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That key piece for me today is that our suffering is not a bargaining chip for a Get Out of Jail Free card for our children or our families of origin or ourselves. It doesn't work that way. This way of believing may be the most harmful thing our abusers created in us. This too has to do with internal versus external locus of control. We need to stop valuing sacrificing anything about ourselves in a futile effort to convince ourselves we had any control. We cannot protect the kids if only we hate ourselves enough.

For heaven's sake. There is nothing our initial abusers can do to us, now. We don't need to hate them or distrust them or label them or anything them. We need to recognize where we are bargaining with our pain and stop it.

In that sense, that we choose love matters. The problem is that the person we must love is ourselves, and that we have to defy our abusers to do it.

And our primary abusers...are us.

Remember that old Pogo comic strip?

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And we believe, somewhere down deep where I can't get at it (I think in abandonment) that if we love ourselves our abusers will make us dead things.

That is why we hid ourselves there, in abandonment.

That is the imagery in my mind's eye.

But that place is so alien to me that I recognize nothing about it.

I hid myself away well.

PRIDE

DEFIANCE

Yep. I'm in there, alright.

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That we broke as children does not mean the abuser stopped. It only means we don't remember it going forward from that broken place. That is why we think that if we suffer, the hurt will stop.

That was never true.

Just the opposite.

When we stopped suffering, the hurt stopped. Nothing to do with the abuser, or with our shattering. We stopped trying to justify what they were doing.

That is why I see the blank eyes, maybe; or hear that oily chuckle.

We need to stop seeing suffering, seeing "to suffer" as a bargaining position.

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We are not the only ones to think like this: There have been sacrificial altars throughout time and in every civilization, the objects to be sacrificed becoming more and more precious over time, all of it done to bargain for peace and safety and love; to guarantee those things.

That is the essential thing about the way we were brought up. We were hurt so often and so intentionally that our values systems became unbalanced things. Instead of believing capturing the goal or creating the piece or winning the race was the way to make our mark in the world, we were twisted by whatever your abuser's version was of "Don't you dare." Or, "Just don't think." Or, "Who do you think you are."

Because to them, who we are is the sacrifice of self, is the compromise of self we made, to suvive.

We need to let go of that.

It was wrong. Like, cosmic wrongness played out ad infinitum and boringly resentful but we could not get away.

Cynical in our sacrifice.

But sincere as the day is long, when it was our children we were sacrificing for.

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Less a matter of Presence, though that will come, but of awareness and conscious choice.

If sacrificing ourselves were going to work, we would all be zillionaires by now. What if, instead of confessing our secret shames and believing that whatever happened all those years ago means anything at all in the light of this day, we just told ourselves: This is not the answer. Health and Presence and Joy wherever we find it.

It is like fear of the lust of vengeance. Once I got to the bottom of it, there was nothing there but a Magical Child's way of surviving. It was shocking, shaming, to realize it. I was able to find compassion for the child I was.

And then admiration.

***

There is zero reason to believe any abuser, even if it is us, like I am abusive in my anger lately, about anything. When we are not Present, we are not our highest selves. Neither were they. Nothing they taught us is true. Not about us for sure, and not about them, either. That is the thing that makes it stick: In their grandiosity, which was energy they took from us when we broke, the abuser's belief in his perfection keeps us believing he or she was not just a sad and broken person with blank eyes whose path intersected with our own.

There is no capacity for Mercy in them. They are like starving jackals. Or maybe, they extended every mercy of which they were capable or we would be broken irretrievably, today.

Maybe, they held on with white knuckle determination. I will believe this. I do love my mother, and all my people that I love, very much.

In any event, sacrificing ourselves to bargain with them is not the answer because it doesn't work.

On we go.

Copa, I think that is why you are so merciless with yourself. They were wrong as could be, Copa. You were never supposed to have been in a position where mercy was required.

You are not a beggar. You never were.

They tricked you, Copa.

I felt the same desperation and longing...and absolute damage of self I did so many years ago with the analyst.

Self sacrifice. To betray the self for the sake of the self.

Even we know that cannot possibly be right.

To sacrifice the best in us; to blacken and destroy and expose and make of it an ugliness so we can heal...hmmmm. No wonder it didn't work, Copa. Imagine the strength in you. Four days a week. Young woman alone in the world. Man in a suit. Nice shoes (that you were actually paying for); inner sanctum.

Young woman, alone in all the world.

A beautiful thing, Copa. The most valuable thing there is: A young female.

I dress you in high, defiantly red heels, Copa. Beautifully tailored pencil skirt. Flowing cape, ala Del Orifice'.

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Beautiful; and strong, even now. Imagine her then, Copa.

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You give the man in the shirt his money. Though he has not done as he promised he was able to do and so in fact, wasted your precious, precious time of your life, you give the man the money both of you pretend is not the core value, here.

Was that the nature of the Sacrifice, Copa? An impossible thing that you did though it was not possible, though no one could do it.

You did.

It still wasn't enough, because sacrifice is not the way to do this.

I hear: You have to take control of your own feelings. And I hear it as: you have to cut off your limb.

And I hear it as: It doesn't matter what you do. The addiction or the illness or the family dynamic ~ these things are what they are.

I feel badly because someone I love very much suffers. I can bring joy, can bring strength, can let in the Sun, or I can go down, too.

Those seem to be our only choices.

Huh.

That is why we need to be really clear that sacrifice will not help those we love.

Joy and strength and welcome. These are the things that will help them come back to us. Not guilty bargaining with which limb we must lose, or which person we love or swear we don't love anymore. I think we don't get to choose. I think I agree with Nietzsche (as I understand what he meant, anyway): Love is what we are, where we came from, what we're doing, where we're going.

That is why we can't see it, maybe. And maybe, that is why things like pornography and drug use and blood fascinate us. They aren't love, either.

Joy and strength and welcome and sunshine.

And music.

:O)

This is what I am listening to this morning.


Tomorrow I am going to listen to Lady Gaga. She has done much work on this issue of sacrifice and bargaining and betrayal. I did not want to reference her link that I was reading this morning here because is was religiously offensive...though we are working our ways through the same kind of thing.

Maybe.

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Leafy's question: What is love. This was the Benedictine response of the five definitions Leafy listed for us. That definition resonates strongly for me.

"Love is more easily experienced than defined. As a theological virtue, by which we love God above all things and our neighbours as ourselves for his sake, it seems remote until we encounter it enfleshed, so to say, in the life of another – in acts of kindness, generosity and self-sacrifice. Love's the one thing that can never hurt anyone, although it may cost dearly. The paradox of love is that it is supremely free yet attaches us with bonds stronger than death. It cannot be bought or sold; there is nothing it cannot face; love is life's greatest blessing."


• Catherine Wybourne is a Benedictine nun


And there is Nietzsche: We love because love came first. In the power of creation, we are created.

Sacrifice is bargaining for love.

We need to stop doing that. In a way, it's what all fables and fairy tales and legends and epics and sagas are telling us: You already have everything you need.

No bargaining required.

That was the bargain our abusers struck with us. As with most of their thinking, they were wrong in this, too.

We are free.

Leafy, I wonder if your version of my "Just don't think, Cedar." is "What are you crying about." The abuser hurts you and denies that it hurt you. So, huh. That is twisted, crazy-making stuff. In our vulnerability, in our little girl or little boy knowledge of the world, we believed ourselves wrong and them, right.

Where I defiantly refuse to cry, you cry defiantly and try to figure out why. That accusation "What are you crying about." is abuse. It's crazy making. It's "You are not being treated unfairly. Buy into it. Believe it."

The answer is patently obvious. The abuser did not miss that. The answer is: "I am hurt." "I am crying about that I am hurt, you stupidly abusive person."

There is no why or justification and one is not required.

Whether we like it or not, we are alone, here.

"What are you crying about?"

"None of your beeswax." Leafy hisses, meaning it with all her heart. "I define myself, now."

And her tears flow, healing every broken place and becoming tears of joy.

So, that would be love.

Internal locus of control.

Well, the answer is no. Not fully. But I know this is part of it: I have always been great when I am losing. When I am the down and out who is fighting to survive. When the odds are against me. When I am a lost cause.

Maybe, for each of us, there is no self sabotage when we are losing.

We are given free reign to access our own strength; imagine what it will be to employ that strength as we will it, without self sabotage/sacrifice.

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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I wish you were not right, Cedar. But I know that you are. How will we live with this grief and fear? I mean, how can we live in a better way, if this is real and bad things have happened and more bad things can? I am serious here.

Well I think the answer must be: Because that is the reality.

Knowing that is the real thing doesn't change anything. It simply frees us to use all our power ~ all that power we were cutting off and throwing away to bargain for nothing with.

:O)

I think I can decide that my heart's desire is what I have right now.

Here is some cool thinking: That is what the sages and philosophers tell us.

Hey it's the swirly-whirly.

I thought of you when I read it, Leafy.

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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"Ok so what about me?"
We have discovered why we feel,or act the way we do, examining our FOO, and perhaps uncovering some pretty raw events that send us into the swirl.
There is still that wounded part of ourselves that we haven't paid attention to. I think we are going down similar paths in learning that we need to embrace that part of ourselves.
Like when you asked if we could be our own best mothers.

I think that is the nature of the battle, Leafy. We are not giving ourselves permission to love ourselves. I don't know how to do that, either. I do know how to hold an intention of compassion for myself, and I know how to sit with those very, very ugly feelings.

Here is a secret: I think that might be enough.

:O)

Those are our tools; those things we can do, and one another to witness for and bear witness to.

These are hard things to accomplish. To accomplish them, we confront a Child's view of mortality. We did not know they would not kill us with their killing rage and their blank eyes. Or with cruel words and ridicule, or whatever tools they used. We must trust ourselves very much now to risk exposing the real heart.

We have done harder things, routinely.

It is only a matter of time, now.

We are meant to be whole.

I think I have finished reading this thread.

I am going to read about how Martha Stewart takes care of her hair, now. They say she has a book out about living well physically.

I am excited.

Cedar
 

Copabanana

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Ladies, while I have slept you have written a book. Not just a book, a tomb. Is that what they call it? Not a grave. A great work.

I do not have time to respond because M and I are working in the house. I was going to write that we had not fought while doing so except that M just caught me on the computer.

I know that M is worried about a lot of things, so it is not in the main me who is the problem. I need to remember to not keep asking him "are you mad" because that is what irritates him the most.

So I wanted to advise you that I am occupied working. And that is what I am doing. I will respond and check in as I can.

We are *you and I doing great work on this thread. It indeed is hallowed ground.

Thank you all.


COPA
 

Copabanana

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OK. I remember, now that I am being laughed at, the correct spelling. A tome. I will take it as a "freudian slip." Who am I burying? Or what?

I continue working. M and I are not fighting. Still. We have gotten a lot done.

COPA
 

Copabanana

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Hi all,

I want to share a really happy thing that happened tonight and briefly a sad and hard thing.

First the happy thing: 2 of M's sons called from Mx.
He is glowing with happiness. I cannot tell you how happy I am for him. It has taken years. For his children to come around. He spoke to 3 of his children tonight. Now, he is in regular contact with 6 of the 9.

My son called. It was a hard call, again. I know he is trying to not trespass onto problematic topics, but when he starts in on Israel and the Jews, I have a visceral reaction.

He had to start in on how either the USA or Israel ordered Turkey to shoot down the Russian fighter jet. And the stuff about the false flags.

Me: Please, J, I do not want to discuss Israel or the Jewish people with you. They are my people and I am not neutral about my people. My mother. My grandmother and grandfather. All of my people before that. I can never not be them. Anyhow, Turkey would not take orders from Israel because Turkey is a Muslim nation.

But I am not a person with whom to discuss these things. While I follow national and world events, I am not somebody who cares to debate issues.

Him: I am not debating or arguing. These are facts.

Me: You and I listen to different founts of information. I listen to NPR and read Intercept. I recommend them both and The Guardian Newspaper from Great Britain.

I agree with you that conventional news media is not a reliable source. I listen but for entertainment.

Facts do not impress me. Anybody can find facts to support their respective opinions. It is just a question of selecting facts that fit your argument. Everybody cites facts. But their facts differ.

Him: No. Facts are facts. They are real. There are only real facts. What I say is TRUE.

I do not want to argue about it with you. Anyway, I told you I need to get off the phone at 3:20. It is now 3:20. I need to say goodbye.

You can't do that to me, he said.

Me: I'm sorry, I have a commitment and I have to go. I love you. Goodbye.

I relayed the conversation to M who said this:

Tell him that you a Jewish person adopted him and gave him all of your love and care and protection. Does he prefer that you, a Jewish person had not adopted him?

What he is saying is racist. It is very rejecting to you.

I hate to tell you this, but you needed to stop this a long time ago. He has to give too. Not just you.

Are you supposed to listen to his racist views about your people? It is not right of you to continue listening and engaging with him while he speaks in this way.

This is what Hitler did and all of the anti-semites before him. Talked about Jewish conspiracies as a way to scapegoat and then attack them. This is not something your son should say to you, and it is not something that you should tolerate.

Me: How can I say that? That is going somewhere I do not want to go. I cannot reject him. To bring it down to my adopting him and questioning that, is to go somewhere that I cannot go. My adopting him was the right thing no matter what because I am his mother no matter what. Even if he hates what I am. I am always his mother. Even if he is a racist towards me, I am his mother. I do not want to push him away. But I cannot not defend my people. Right or wrong they are my people. Just as my son is my people.

I know I am supposed to stay neutral and just listen to him without commenting when he talks about his garbage.

But think about it. My son has decided to scapegoat the very ethnic group to which I belong. A psychoanalyst would say that he was doing it to make psychological distance between us. To separate. To get control over his very strong feelings towards me.... I can understand it. In a psychological sense. But I am a human.

I think that the better way to approach it is to tell my son the other part of what M said: J we can talk about subjects that pertain to us both, that we both have an interest in. And very stridently protect that limit. Not allow there to be any conversation about world events.

I feel sad. I keep failing. What a nutcase family my son and I are.
'
I still feel very happy for M.

COPA
 
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Copabanana

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Cedar, (in a very whiny voice) I want to learn how to make the emoticon that rolls on the floor laughing, too.

How do I do it?

COPA
 

Scent of Cedar *

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Cedar, (in a very whiny voice) I want to learn how to make the emoticon that rolls on the floor laughing, too.

Go to the smiley face in the upper left corner, second row of your posts toolbar, Copa. Then, go into "emoticons" and there he will be.

:rofl:




:wine:



:spaghetti:

In Seasonal, you will find these, Copa.

:forchristmas:


:forsanta:

:gingerbread:

:snowman2:


:bdayiggy:



:canadaday:


:O)

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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I awakened around 3 am thinking about my mother, and about happiness, and about how nice it would be to see her again. These were such happy ways of thinking, without bitterness. Then, I began to resent the way it actually is, so I got up and came into the office and found you had left something for us.

If I'd known you were still up, I would have stayed online longer, Copa.

:O)

Eventually, I went back to sleep and, when I awakened this morning, there was the dog, staring exactly, unblinkingly and moving not a muscle, into my eyes.

I think he awakened me through the force of his will, staring at me like that.

It was so funny!

***


Cedar
 
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Scent of Cedar *

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The discussion yesterday was: Love, and what that is.

Faith, I think. More than anything, faith. Faith is what enables us to touch our belief that there is more; that life itself is inherently abundantly generous. To believe it so much that more comes into being, just as we knew the potential for it all along through our faith in it.

A circle.

More strength, more happy, funny stories and good will, more kindness, more generosity. More food, more money, more time simply by wishing to be present to the time we are in, and to be so happy, to feel so successful, for the food and the money we do have, already.

Abused or ignored or worse as little girls or little boys, we will not have seen faith modeled, when we were children. Not where we are concerned, we will not. Probably, our people could not believe in or model faith for themselves either, maybe. That is a piece of why we cannot hold faith with ourselves, now.

But it's out there, right here.

It will be an act of rebellion then ~ it will feel like that ~ for us to cherish ourselves with generous spirits. It will feel wrong. Resentment will come, over what we do not have because we bargained with that natural, life affirming joy, with that energy abundant in all newly born things, to control our abusers, to limit the chaos and fear of our environments by condemning ourselves before they did.

In defiance, we made sure there was no vulnerability; nothing we could not stand to lose.

I watched that process happen, last night. I could feel it coming, and I could watch the process of change in my thinking and in the feeling state brought into being through my thinking but not through my will from bright and generous to dark and twisted and miserly.

Now, why would I do that?

That is why I say the secret to loving ourselves is faith that we merit generous, limitless loving.

This will be hard for us to believe. It involves letting go, letting in, opening as with a series of relaxing emotional muscles...and then, it is a as though a chill wind, a dark cloud. We can love and wish those good things for someone else, but not ourselves.

That is how it was, last night.

From generous and sunshine to ~ I don't know. Like, fence posts and barbed wire and I belonged over there or something awful would happen ~ some terribly destructive storm.

So I think that is the nature of the bargain that we made as children, and that we make now, out of habit. I think we do this, in part, because when, finding redemption in loving our children, we let our guard down (Copa's Sleeping Beauty kiss) and began believing in ourselves and our children and our lives, we began to stop choosing to hate ourselves, to make ourselves choose the fence and the barbed wire.

And sure as all the Hells that ever were, very, very bad things happened, and are happening now.

So, we have gone back to bargaining with our happiness, with our way we allow ourselves to see ourselves in our lives. We are wishing on a dark star when the Sun is right there, but we have to give ourselves permission to choose it and we can't out of fear of what we will lose.

That is a round about way of saying: Have nothing to protect.

We are the ones telling ourselves not to be happily in generous, trusting love with ourselves and our lives and our children. We may have done those same things with toys we especially loved as children, pretending they meant less to us than they did, to protect them from the attention of the abuser.

And feeling guilty for that.

Guilty enough to be safe from the abuser.

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That is the secret of loving ourselves. I think this is true. It isn't about telling ourselves we are fine as we are and sort of pitching battle lines around our interpretations of self. It is like what happened to me last night when I awakened happily thinking about my mother and let it turn into resentment ~ or, more tellingly, given the way I am thinking about loving ourselves and happiness this morning, watched it turn into resentment through a series of incremental choices I was making to keep myself simmering at a lower level of happy than acceptance and generosity allowed.

Resentment is such an ugly feeling state. I wondered how it happened that I sabotaged my happiness reworking those feelings of resentment instead of trusting that what is happening now is just beautifully what it is.

Why was I punishing myself for something over which I have zero control?

And waking myself up in the middle of the night to do it?

That is where faith comes in. Faith in ourselves, in our worthiness to be loved by ourselves in a generous way ~ to bless ourselves in doing so instead of seeing even our own hearts through the eyes of those who were cruel to us.

We need to stop being cruel to ourselves.

We are being cruel, and that hurts us and we should stop doing that.

But I could not stop choosing that uglier interpretation of my reality last night.

Resentment and ugliness were my choices. But why?

I have been trying to stay conscious of those places where I punish myself like that. There are literally ten thousand thought traces happening on every level of self in which we allow, or disallow, generosity or faith toward ourselves. There is an internal dialogue happening that works like a thermostat, I think. What level of self is safe; what can I afford to lose and keep living. This has to do with trust, and with why for us, to trust is a choice with limits having to do with how much we can afford to risk and survive the loss of it.

So, those are the kinds of thoughts I have been observing, today. I am not changing them, just watching, just aware of them and wondering why I prefer that state of resentment to generous faith.

Those are good questions.

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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This will be hard for us to believe. It involves letting go, letting in, opening as with a series of relaxing emotional muscles...and then, it is a as though a chill wind, a dark cloud. We can love and wish those good things for someone else, but not ourselves.

The wrongness of the gift that is not perfect is here, and the knot of perfectionism and of the shame/self contempt/ miserly dark twisted beneath it.

Cedar
 

New Leaf

Well-Known Member
Cedar you are just too,too fascinating.

I agree, totally, faith.

I think we have a wonderful concoction we have brewing, love, joy and faith.

Thank you for your 10 hours of Vivaldi, I listen to it at work (no youtube, or aolradio allowed). It is wonderful. I know you are looking into Lady Gaga today, I love her, but do not think I could take 10 hours.

My goodness she is fascinating too.

Thank you so much Cedar. I could not post last night. Son had a meeting at school on concussions and sports risk.

I then came home and researched self love, self esteem, and promptly fell asleep.

I think we did write a "tomb".

We have dredged up our past issues with FOO, examined them, understand why we are, as we are, and now we are burying the reliving of it, with love, joy and faith.We are not laying to rest the memories, they will always be there, as a reminder, a lesson. We have come from great suffering. We have relived this suffering through the choices of our d cs.

Enough. We have no control over this.

But, oh, how much we have learned, my warrior butterfly sisters.

Love, joy, faith.

I would like to add peace to our delicious soup for the soul.

Love, joy, faith and peace.


It is a morning song to be sung with the sunrise and hummed throughout the day.

Thank you very much Cedar

(((HUGS)))

leafy
 
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