I attended an appointment yesterday afternoon with attachment therapist for wm. wm never made it to the appointment because of a breakdown in communications between Integrated Listening Systems (ILS) & therapist. Having said that, we started discussing logical consequences. therapist made an interesting statement....if you have to work hard on coming up with a logical consequence there probably isn't one. Taking into account the emotional level of the tweedles, it becomes even more difficult. Our difficult children frequently display illogical behaviors & symptoms. How do you address a 6 hour meltdown; can you even consider a consequence for out of control behaviors? I thought about that before answering therapist. Both tweedles have pretty much left the building when they are in the midst of a meltdown/rage. And while there may have been destruction, given their emotional ages, there is no way I would give them the responsibility of fixing it. I may ask them to help fix or clean up the mess. Many many times there is a total disconnect. I also pointed out that many times there are logical consequences when kt or wm have made very deliberate choices. Refuse homework, lose recess time. therapist's point was that with our mentally/emotionally disordered children, many times, there is no logical consequence. And that it's okay to hand out a consequence with the comment, because I'm the mom & I said so. She also recommended that I laminate together pictures of the tweedles. On one side a picture of them at their current physical age, on the other a picture of them as toddlers. Just to remind me that certain behaviors need redirection & can be used to teach them skills they did not learn as very young children. All in all, it was a very interesting appointment - it gave me food for thought.