And now a bee question...

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by klmno, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. klmno

    klmno Active Member

    Anyone know how to get rid of bumblebees hanging around? It started with a swarm but now it's not that many but I can't see a nest anywhere. They've been hanging around a wooden shed roof over the patio for 3-4 weeks.
     
  2. donna723

    donna723 Well-Known Member

    At my old house we used to have what they called carpenter bees - big fat things like bumblebees. They bore in to wood in places like under the eaves of a house and build their nests in the spaces underneath. The holes they make are about as big around as your thumb. We had quite a few of them in the roof of our carport. They're not really aggressive but if you were to run in to one or step on one, they can sting the living daylights out of you! When my son was about three, there was one that found its way in to his room. He woke up screaming and grabbing at his pajamas. The darned thing had managed to crawl under his pajama top and was stinging him on his chest and stomach!
     
  3. klmno

    klmno Active Member

    This sounds exactly like what we have. How do you get rid of them or is this an issue for the landlord to worry about?
     
  4. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    Mix up sevin dust with water in a spray bottle and spray exposed wood surfaces often. Make sure your pets can't get to the exposed wood or lick any drippings OR you can do what I'm currently doing and you can say what you think - but LIKE DF he's actually had to eat his words.

    I've gotten a net, caught them - (Donnas right - they're really not aggressive - they WILL sting - I have a dogs face and 6 weeks of antibiotics to prove that) but once I caught six or seven - now eight of them - them the rest seem to be uninterested in coming back. I also sprayed the holes that existed because that's where they lay their larvae. Havent' gotten up close and personal with that - but guessing.

    Another person told me to get a badmitton racquet - but I think it's cruel. I catch, and hold them in a tank until I get far away ten miles or better, from the house on the other side of town and let them go. SO far no ones returned that I've released or they've chewed off the nail polish I dotted them with to see if they WOULD come back (homeing device instincts) DF left the last batch in the cage and they died. Not happy about that but also not happy about the holes - The woodpecker seems to have done a smashing job on the tree and now the bees are doing a number on the house.

    I've seen a few new ones buzz - but they smell the wood - and they're off. No more than two since I caught the other eight. And sprayed.
     
  5. klmno

    klmno Active Member

    Do these type of bees have a queen bee?
     
  6. AnnieO

    AnnieO Shooting from the Hip

    k... Just FWIW. I am horribly allergic to bee stings but I'd rather have carpenter bees around than that $%^&* woodpecker.

    on the other hand - Star has a very good idea. And as long as pets aren't around, Sevin Dust ROCKS. It even gets rid of bedbugs.
     
  7. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    Typically? No. There are many different species of these bees - I think over 450 or more. They're like AMAZON women. Sometimes the females will maybe share a hive - but they share chores, like guarding and cleaning and things like that. The males don't even have stingers - but unless you're a real aip specilist and can look at wings and things? You're not going to know boy from giril. Females really have to be POed to come get you. Ouixa jumps up and snatches them, and she had two in her mouth, and they still didn't sting. I picked the one up that wasn't dead and put its little soaked body in a tree on a leaf to dry out - it never made a buss. Pootie on the other hand grabbed one, shook it, and it nailed her on the end of her flews. Her lip got infected, and we've had her on Cephelaxin for about oh.....five weeks three times a day - I mean it looked like someone stuck a strawberry on the end of her lip. It's just now to the point where you can see her whiskers and fur.

    The holes if there are hatchilings in them will be alive in about three weeks, - A lot of people like to use dust and then putty the holes shut or put those copper pot scrubbers in the holes. The parents won't chew in and the babys won't chew out. Solves that problem but I've seen them tunnel sideways - bees are brilliantly smart. And my biggest thing is - bees are disappearing at an alarming rate - so pollenation is down. I really discourage killing them. That's why I just try to take them to a wooded area elsewhere.

    If you're not sure about using Sevin dust mix - go to Lowes or Home Depot and find a chemical you can live with. But do patch the holes with something or in three weeks you'll have the problem again.
     
  8. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    Our woodpecker isn't NEARLY as annoying as this )(*%)(*_@)(+_+! bird that warbles non-stop for 14 hours a day starting at 5 am -He does NOT shut up at all and I've NEVER wanted to shoot randomly into a tree with bird shot in my life - but he never takes even a breath - it's like PROPOGANDA torture. I don't know what it is, or what it's problem is - but it's 4 trills.....4 trills .......4 trills....all, dang, day long. He has GOT to need a sucrets or something by now. Horny bird. I swear if the mate was on ebay I'd buy it and have it shipped express.
     
  9. susiestar

    susiestar Roll With It

    This really is somethng you should have the landlord handle. Sevin is great, but right now there are a lot of problems with all types of bees with having the hives collapse. You may want to call a beekeeper to find out if these are a type that a beekeeper would want to come and find and move. Around here there are the university entomologists who sometimes pay if the hive is big enough and you let them take it.

    If you want to spray, please consider getting a few ounces of pure neem oil and mixing it with water and spraying it. It will kill bees and any other insects and is very effective. It is also very safe for plants - is used on organic fields because it is a natural and human safe insecticide, and it does a great job with most insects. It totally rocks with fleas. TOTALLY. I know because it is all we have used on captain for three years and we have almost no flea problems - and when we do see them a spritz ends the problem. Neem is actually more effective on lice than most commercial products including the prescription ones. A few years back thank you brought them home and we did everything but NOTHING worked until I got some neem onlne and used that. I jsut put it in shampoo in my hand and put it in his hair and let it sit ten mins. Just ONE application and the nits combed off like dandruff - but they were actually nits - no pulling, pain, etc... as long as I kept the hair wet.

    Neem is used in some of the newer cracked skin creams (one as seen on tv brand) and in many expensive lotions because it is so good for people's skin. It is very moisturizing - our hair never was softer than after the neem/shampoo treatment. The smell is rather strong and unpleasant but if you dilute it in water and add a drop or two of another essential oil it isn't bad at all. the smell also doesn't linger forever like commercial pesticides. We bought an 8 oz bottle four yrs ago and it is half full because you use about a teaspoon or two in 32 oz water and it just wipes out the insects. It kills on contact and on ingestion. I have seen posts on forums where people claim beekeepers spray hives to control aphids, but the beekeepers here and the entomologist I know all say that it would be crazy to do that because it would kill your bees.
     
  10. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    Carpenters are usually solitary bees. Occasionally they'll chum up with other females but it's fairly rare to see a hive or colony of them. But I like Susiestars thinking regarding collapse. The ones that entomologists are looking for are the mean ones - yellow jackets, et al - they can sometimes vacuum them out and use their venom to create shots for people that are allergic. Mom was hoping a couple years ago that her swarm was the ones they were looking for and while they were yellow jackets? It wasnt' the right strain. If it had been I could have gone to Ohio State and got desensitized for free. That would have saved my ilfe as I'm allergic to epi.
     
  11. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    There is also a bee that looks like a bumble bee but isnt. It doesnt have a stinger. I think you can tell it apart by a white dot on the forehead or something. Its one of those "Ask Tony" things. I dont like any bee. Im allergic to stings though not as badly as some people. I just swell up locally pretty badly. One time a wasp or yellow jacket, I never did figure out which it was, flew in my car window and got in my bra. It stung me right between my boobs. I swelled up so badly I looked like I had three boobs! It really was hilarious because I was driving home from the mountains with Tony's sister Angie in the car when this happened and she yells at me to pull into the next gas station so she can get me some snuff. Im driving and trying to take my shirt off...lol. Im thinking...SNUFF? Why do I need snuff? I need benedryl!

    But then I think...well I cant take benedryl and drive so I go in and ask for some ice and I put that in my sock that I took off. Meanwhile Angie gets some snuff, chews it for a bit and then spits it into a wad and gets a little napkin and makes a poultice out of a bit of napkin and icky chewed up snuff and slaps that onto my sting between my boobs!

    I am like GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These folks really are hicks. What on earth did I get myself into? Well...within a few minutes, the stinging stopped! Guess Indians know a thing or two.
     
  12. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    LOL Janet. Baking soda paste has the same effect AND reduces the swelling. :)

    Ahhhh, so these are the bees that were drilling holes in my porch last year. I've not seen them this year so far. We picked up something ( no clue now what) at either Lowes or walmart and sprayed the holes. They didn't come back. At all. I was hesitant to kill them due to the bee issues.

    I'll be planting strawberry and blue berry bushes near my backyard garden in hopes of attracting them. I've warned Nichole she needs to pick up an epi pen or three when she sees fam doctor again. I want to keep one here for her in case she forgets to bring it when she comes to help me work in the garden.

    I don't mind bees so much. I just don't want them drilling holes around the house. Wasps are another matter..........those things will die. I still bear the scars from a stupid wasp that flew up my pant leg and then decided to sting the devil out of me because he couldn't find his way out again. omg But I do have to be careful as Nichole is very allergic.
     
  13. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    Dude got staph from wasp stings last year. He went in to the ER with allergic reactions.....got a shot, and left. The hospital was SO full of staph - that he got REINFECTED and they ended up lancing his eyelid, his arm and armpit - and packing it full of guaze. The whole thing took all summer to get over but left him with some really nasty scars.

    If you don't have someone available to spit on your boobs? AFTER you get the stinger out - and you can do THAT with a DEBIT CARD.......

    YOu can crush up a cigarette - WET it (with water) and make a poultice from that - or

    MUD - plain old dirt. Grab a handfull of dirt, mix with water and smear the mud on the bite - OR

    Lawrys season salt and a little water........(this works excellent for Fire Ants too) ........OR

    Baking Soda (someone said that already) and water...........OR


    The main thing I was told is to stay CALM - and get ANTIHISTAMINE like Benadryl or Dimetap into yourself IMMEDIATELY - the sooner the histamine is blocked the less pain you feel.

    Then Ice.....and remain calm. If you get excited - your blood pumps faster and courses the poison through your body faster.

    If you are tough as nails - like DF - once you get bitten(stung) he sprays amonia on it. Straight pure amonia. Swears it takes the bite out. I don't know I'm not going to get stung just to see if amonia works - but I do know this - and I learned it here from SUsie* - Those little afterbite mosquito pens they sell? Are nothing BUT amonia. Now when we get bitten by mosquitos? We dab the bite with amonia and it takes the bite itch right out.

    Another buggy time tip???? HATE MOSQUITOS???? Don't have bug spray with you? PUT dryer sheets in your socks, your pockets and your sleeves. I used to put them in my construction hat too - and let them hang out to keep gnats from buzzing around my eyes - they go for the sweat. the smell makes them crazy. The dryer sheet must smell really bad to them - they keep away. I use this when I'm mowing my lawn and it works like a charm.
     
  14. InsaneCdn

    InsaneCdn Well-Known Member

    The other "or" is... tea leaves. Yes, real leaves - black tea. Loose, or tea-bag. (grandpa's old standby)
    Brew up a good pot, save the leaves. (yes, you can drink the tea, too)
     
  15. hearts and roses

    hearts and roses Mind Reader

    There is a HUGE "Save the Bees" movement going on across the country - don't know if you've heard about it. The population of bees is dwindling rapidily due to insecticides, weather changes, etc. So, there is a big effort to NOT kill bees.

    Our ENTIRE front lawn (and it's freaking big) is loaded with those carpenter bees!!! Millions (seriously) of them have made holes all over the place and buzz around out yard all day while it's sunny. In a couple of weeks, they will all but disappear. I don't know or care where they go, but they leave. We have to be patient...I won't even walk across the lawn or front walkway there are hundreds of them buzzing all over the place. I'm afraid one will get up my skirt or pant leg.

    H won't kill them. Me? Yeah, truth is I would definitely spray that Sevin stuff all over the darned place - but H won't have it. So I try to be patient. Plus we have well water and our well is on the front lawn so I'm a bit nervous about spraying anything on the lawn to begin with. Another thing we thought of is completely ripping up our front lawn, tilling it like mad, and laying a new 5-6" of new soil and then planting new grass. Our lawn is dry and sand like and you sort of sink when you walk on it, it's so marshy.

    Good luck~
     
  16. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    HNR - I think your husband rocks. Are you sure that what you have is Carpenter bees? BECAUSE Bumble bees make hives UNDERGROUND.....we had problems with them when I was little. They have a queen and it would see that if they were carpenter bees? There would be a lot of wood munching on or about your home going on. I ask because you didn't say you have them eating or boring into your home. Just in the lawn. Bumbles are aggressive - Carpenters arent. But most of the time if left alone - Bumbles will just go about their business. I've yet to see Carpenters go in the ground like that and swarm. VERY interesting.
     
  17. InsaneCdn

    InsaneCdn Well-Known Member

    Interesting, Star.
    I've heard of bees nesting in hollow walls of old houses, too.
    This strange muted sound, 24/7... and it wasn't ghosts... it was walls and more walls FILLED with honey.

    Hmmm.... maybe they should carefully dig up a small part of the lawn and see?
    oh. she said aggressive. maybe... full bee suit and a smoker, first?
     
  18. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    Two Summers ago my Mom was in her office and she kept hearing a weird sound. She couldn't put her finger on it and my Mother has always had K-9 rivaling hearing. She finally pin pointed it to her bedroom outer wall and then started hearing it in her attic, outer wall. She went outside and took pictures with a camera (zoom lens) I told her not to - because even the shutter clicking of a camera will aggitate some bees. Not to mention the smell of humans. It's not us in general it's the smell of our sweat, and mostly when we fear things - there is a certain pheremone released in our sweat that is undeniable to animals. This is why I got that EMDR therapy to not have my pulse beat rapidly and increase my fear, which increases the release of sweat around bees. I also asked to not do the swatting and flailing which is genetically engrained into our beings like fear of spiders, buzzing noises, snakes. Can't be helped. Some are less than others, but it's genetic.

    Anyway - Mom got some pictures and I identified the little buggers for her. They were the NOT nice at all, meat eating variety and highly aggressive. Mom being the perfectionist wanted better pictures because there were some things I couldn't make out about the wings - but begged her not to take more pictures. Good thing she didn't. We got a man from the local university to come out and make sure FIRST that they were absolutely not Africanized. They were very similar but unless you had the bee suit and could get into the hive - you couldn't tell. He was really excited until he got up on his ladder and saw how they had built their hive. ORiginally I thought he didn't want them - I talked to Mom and she corrected me - he DID want them they were what he needed, but he couldn't vacuum them out. (sorry about that) They were what he needed but sadly he said in order to get to them and "save them" he'd need to tear the side of her house out or rip part of her walls down. Had they paid to replace it? She would have allowed it. They didn't. So she called a specialist and had them dusted. (literally and figuratively)

    The dust was taken in and out and in and out by the workers and took days to kill them. They went crazy while they were dying, but eventually the poison got into the hive and killed the Queen. Since the hive was so massive - he came back out and checked it - but said that the chances it could be there again in a year or two were good. Mom had someone come out and put up cloth and seal the access.

    Years before that? My Father tried to rid the near same spot of bald face hornets and lost the fight - had to be taken to the hospital for over 40 direct hits to the face and upper torso. He also killed the bumble bees in the ground - thinking if he sealed one hole - that would kill them. Not. They came out from all over the place. Another time Pop killed paper mud dauber wasps and got whacked quite a few times. - All of the attacks on the bees, wasps and hornets were for my safety. I learned a lot - mostly to avoid and live and let live.
     
  19. hearts and roses

    hearts and roses Mind Reader

    Definitely NOT bumbles. They actually look mostly like your regular honey bees. They are NOT aggressive either. I'm just paranoid and afraid to walk through the swarm. Seriously, our yard in midday looks like a scene from a horror movie about bees. H is the one who said they were carpenter bees - he went on line and researched a little and this is what he came up with. I'm just going with it. To me a bee is a bee.

    Those big giant black ones that look similar to bumbles? We call those Japanese fighters - they actually will turn and look at you and chase you. We have those in and around our shed - they bore into the wood. I hate those the most.

    My H does rock when it comes to saving living animals and plants...it's true. He wept when we had to cut down an old pine in our yard. I have pictures of him standing next to the giant stump. He was going to make a totem pole out of it, but instead he used the wood for the outdoor firepit. He was truly upset. A few weeks ago he went out to cut down a maple on our front yard that we discovered 15 years later is growing on top of and next to our water well...it has to come out. He got his chainsaw, walked out there and turned around - he couldn't do it. He did it about a week or so later and it broke him up. He feels guilty.

    But, the bees....hmmm, if I could stand looking at pictures of bees, I would research them to be sure of the type.
     
  20. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    (raises hand ) OH OH OH OHOHHHHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHH I know what those are --They are (could be) GROUND BEES, MINER bees or Digger bees http://gocb.wordpress.com/2007/03/26/mating-ground-bees-on-upper-flat-march-25-2007/

    -----and they're NOT that aggressive and they DO live under ground and they WILL be gone in a week or so. We had them last year and they are FANTASTIC little pollinators. husband is very right not to kill them. The dogs even snapped at them last year when I tried to catch one or two for the extension office and they didn't bite/sting. We ended up just putting everyone out in the front yard for potty time until the bees left. They did not come back this year. (sadly) and we didn't disturb the ground in case they had babies in there. So now we can do whatever.

    They're really good for your neighborhood HNR - Just NO lawn mower or weed eater until they're gone. The buzzing I was told could aggitate them. Other than that? keep pups away and you'll beeeee (haha) okay.
     
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