Huge lesson for me about eyeglasses...

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by emotionallybankrupt, Jul 24, 2010.

  1. emotionallybankrupt

    emotionallybankrupt New Member

    I've worn glasses for 35 years and thought I "knew the ropes," but I learned an important lesson today. NEVER again will I fail to ask to HAVE my old lenses to keep, when I replace lenses without replacing frames. I got new ones yesterday and immediately felt an uncomfortable eye strain, but I left the store with them anyway, thinking that I just needed to wear them for a day or two so my eyes could adjust. By bedtime, I was ready to throw them across the room.

    NOW, the store has disposed of my old lenses, and I'll have to wait a minimum of two weeks for a replacement of the problem lense, because my prescription is a bit complicated (translate expensive) and is a special order. If only, if only....
  2. TerryJ2

    TerryJ2 Well-Known Member

    Oh no! I'd never thought of that.
    on the other hand, maybe it's the correct prescription, but the wrong installation angle. IOW, if your line of sight is smack in the center of the lens, and it was accidentally ground out to be in the top of the lens, you will not see correctly. I had that happen once. They redid the lenses on the spot.
  3. emotionallybankrupt

    emotionallybankrupt New Member

    Terry, I was thinking the same thing, especially since I could cover the eye with the "good lense," tilt my head around, and seem to clear the cloudiness in the other eye by looking through a different part of the lense. The optician seemed to check it over carefully though, and he swears it's exactly as the prescription is written.

    Now, I have to get in touch with the eye doctor next week to see where to go from here. He'll have to re-write the prescription in order for me to get a change in the lense. I have a thought though, that I want to get feedback on.

    I've noticed for several years that I am progressively having more and more trouble with lights and glare, such as headlights coming toward me when I'm driving at night. It occurs to me that the way an eye exam is done is to project the letters onto the screen, with the letters surrounded by the light in a dark room. Maybe comparable to the driving at night against the oncoming headlights? I'm wondering if this could skew the result on my script. I'll definitely ask the doctor about it when I get in, but what do you think about that possibility?
  4. 1905

    1905 Well-Known Member

    Oh no that stinks! I hope it doesn't take too long. Another good lesson easy child learned on Wednesday- NEVER GO INTO THE OCEAN WHILE WEARING GLASES WHEN YOUR PARENTS DO NOT HAVE OPTICAL INSURANCE. He's wearing an old pair, they are the wrong lenses and I have to wait until Aug. 11 to get him in to the place. Does anyone know of a good national place that is cheap? I wonder if Wal-Mart does them cheap without a long appointment time. Sorry to hijack your thread, but I know how you feel.
  5. emotionallybankrupt

    emotionallybankrupt New Member

    Try Sam's Club. Ours has walk-in optometrist next door, and I've bought glasses there in the past that were reasonably priced. I only quit going there because the ONE competent optician who worked there went elsewhere, and I can adjust glasses myself better than the guy who is there now.
  6. KTMom91

    KTMom91 Well-Known Member

    Lenscrafters offers a discount on both the exam and glasses if you're an AAA member. I think it was about 30% off.
  7. emotionallybankrupt

    emotionallybankrupt New Member

    Ok, Terry. I give up. What's "IOW"? I thought I could figure it out and didn't want to ask, but my brain is tired now.
  8. Marguerite

    Marguerite Active Member

    "IOW" = "in other words".

    Something I found out the hard way - the top eye specialists sometimes are not good at writing prescriptions for glasses.

    I've had glasses since i was 8 years old. From the very first, my mother had me seen by her ophthalmic surgeon. We would wait for hours (I always knew an eye doctor appointment meant the rest of the day off school!) and I would be seen in a darkened room by an old man who smelt funny, while my mother sat nearby (thankfully). Then afterwards we would cross the road to the optometrist who would fit me for new glasses.

    Year after year we went through this routine. Then when I was living independently, after husband & I were married, I did the same thing - kept seeing ophthalmic surgeons for my glasses.
    We moved to a new area and I did what I thought was the best thing to find a new eye doctor - I asked the new GP, who wore glasses, where he got his glasses from. I figured a GP would know who was good.

    It was a few little things that began to niggle. I got my glasses as usual and by this time, because I am so short-sighted, my specs were taking longer to be made up and costing a lot more. I collected my specs and they just didn't feel right. I went back to the eye doctor who measured my new glasses, checked my eyes and said, "These glasses have been made up wrong. I'll talk to the optometrist, these were not made up according to the prescription I gave you." He even went on to say, "Optometrists try to do this job but really, you are always best off getting your prescriptions from someone who is an ophthalmic surgeon, because we are always more accurate. We've had more training."

    And I believed him, especially when I saw the optometrist arguing about the specs. But he gave way in the end, thank goodness. I didn't want to pay twice for specs that were not my mistake.

    A few more years passed and again, I had another problem with m specs. Not so bad tis time, but gain it was a mistake in the glasses when they arrived. So I changed optometrists. By this time the kids were seeing an optometrist (because their eyes were not so bad as mine, they didn't need the specialist, I told myself) and the kids were very happy. I also was very happy with how thorough this guy was, so when I was due for my next check-up, I went to the optometrist. Cheaper. Faster. Better.
    Then I mentioned a problem I had with my eyes, the optometrist said, "That needs assessment by an eye specialist," and sent my back to my previous ophthalmic surgeon. The eye doctor dismissed the problem, but wrote a new prescription for me. I took the new prescription to my new optometrist ho instead of immediately making them up, did a mock-up in those modular test frames of theirs and had me look through them. Yes - at last I had proof that the eye doctor was slovenly, a liar, and a bully who persuaded the previous optometrist to be the fall guy when the eye doctor as the one who got the prescription wrong. I've never been back to that eye doctor since, even tough when I had my recent eye problems, several doctors tried to refer me to the bloke.

    I needed a new eye doctor, so I asked the optometrist to recommend someone good with retinas.

    I am now very wary, when a new prescription doesn't feel right. And I never throw out my old lenses. I'm surprised anybody does, especially optometrists. I'd go back there and loudly nag. "Check your rubbish bins, check your pare lenses box, find out where my old lenses are because they must have been sent somewhere. I need them NOW. There is something wrong an I need something to see with NOW while YOU fix this mistake."
    Did you know that your specs can be 'read' to see what prescription they actually are? This can be compared with your prescription, to see if what was ordered is what was made up. If that matches, ten you go back to whoever wrote the prescription and say, "Is this really what my eyes should have? Because these feel wrong."

    Better yet - ask the optometrist to check your prescription by checking your eyes. Then ask him to check your specs, to see if they were made up correctly. If there is a discrepancy, go after ho is responsible. They owe you a new pair of specs. Be prepared for the eye doctor to be responsible but not accept it.

    Oh boy, have I been there! My glasses cost about A$1000 a pair now. I can't afford mistakes.

  9. Mamaof5

    Mamaof5 Guest

    You say special script (read expensive). It seems that you may be the same as my hubby. He has an eye defect that causes his actually eyeballs to be very long from front to back (read also very expensive, 500 smackers in one shot expensive). His lenses are special order as well because of his eye defect.

    My eyes are photophobic and I have congenital cataracs. What you are describing with night time driving condition I have the same issues with my photophobic eyes, I have a special lens where they darken under certain light conditions (automatically, believe it's called transitions lenses). Perhaps a crack at transitions lenses (darkest set) might help?
  10. emotionallybankrupt

    emotionallybankrupt New Member

    Thanks Marg and Mamaof5. What each of you said makes good sense to me. Marg, my dad's eyes were so bad that from the age of 4 my grandmother was driving him what is now 2 hours away (don't know how long it took in the 1940's) to the "big city" to find a doctor who could help. Needless to say, my dad taught me that you just simply don't mess around with eyes. You find the most experienced doctor with the highest level training and ALWAYS an M.D., never an optometrist.

    I really like my current doctor, but it's always bugged me that it's actually the TECHNICIAN who seems to do all the work. Basically the doctor's role seems to be to come in and shake my hand, say hi and make polite conversation, shine the light in my eyes to be sure the anatomy appears okay, and leave. Oh--that is, after he signs the prescription that was decided upon entirely by the technician.

    I'm quite sure the old lenses are a lost cause at this point. I really did push the issue yesterday when they told me they were gone already. He told me that certainly they would be GLAD to give me the lenses in the future if I ASKED for them, to which I responded that they should have the superior knowledge to know that was a good idea, routinely hand them over, and explain to the customer why. I just never thought of it before, because I've not had this problem before.

    I'll definitely be ringing the doctor's phone in the morning. The optician did check my lenses with the instrument that is supposed to read them, and he says the script is as written, so I have no choice but to accept that. I believe the script is just incorrect, and it's going to be the doctor's job to fix it. I must say that the optician was very nice and said they would work with me on this as long as it takes, replacing the lenses at no charge. My only gripe with them is that they threw away my old lenses.

    Mamaof5, it sounds like I have a hybrid of some of your husband's issues and some of yours. I'm curious about whether those transitions lenses help you with night driving, or if the lenses don't cut the glare since you are already in the dark and the lenses wouldn't darken in the dark.... You're right though about the photophobia in general, and I'd never thought to address that. I find it very painful to be in the sunlight anymore without sunglasses, and making the switch is sometimes difficult, especially when driving.
  11. Mamaof5

    Mamaof5 Guest

    I also have a nikon anti-glare on my lenses for night time use, it doesn't trigger the transitions at night but the higher priced nikon anti-glare really makes a difference (it kind of slightly tints the lens blue-ish). My lenses actually darken to a very dark black in direct sunlight or UV light. It's been a "god send" so to speak. Suffered horribly from glare headaches and light triggered eye strain\pain.

    I'd suggest the nikon anti-glare and transitions applied to the lenses. Unfortunately, they need to send them out to do that with, they don't have the equipment to do so in house in most places but so worth it!!!
  12. Mamaof5

    Mamaof5 Guest

    ETA: The transitions actually adjust to the strength of the light as well, slight brightness brings on a graying effect of the lenses while direct full on light brings about the "sunglasses" effect.

    Sorry, edit button still giving me a hard time (Chrome browser)
  13. emotionallybankrupt

    emotionallybankrupt New Member

    I know I have some type of anti-glare coating, but I don't know if it's the same as what you describe. I'll be asking. I think the idea of the transitions lenses is a GREAT idea. Thank you!
  14. Mamaof5

    Mamaof5 Guest

    From my blog - my glasses in full strength UV\natural light (I had just walked in from outside, just got home when I took those pics). I hope you don't mind the content of the post (nose piercings, more specifically...mine *lol*). That's the full effect of transitions lenses. I'll try to find you one of the slightly grayed effect if I can.
  15. svengandhi

    svengandhi Well-Known Member

    When I was 2, I walked into a giant pillar and said "Excuse me, ma'am." I had glasses the next week.

    My oldest kids have perfect vision (courtesy of their dad's genes). My youngest got glasses in K. After all the issues I had, I took him to the best rated pediatric opthalomologist in my area. He did surgery on one of my sons for a muscle problem in one eye and all was great. However, my youngest complained and complained about headaches when he tried to read and reading was torture. In 3rd grade, he started refusing to read and acting out in school. I took him to the doctor every 6 months and his prescription always changed. Mine did, too, until I began wearing contacts at 16.

    In 4th grade, I decided to try vision therapy. At the assessment, the doctor (who is an optometrist) checked my son's glasses, as well as his vision. It turned out that my son is incredibly near-sighted in one eye and incredibly far-sighted in the other. The "top doctor" had been AVERAGING his numbers and giving his prescriptions that didn't correct either eye!

    The vision therapist wrote him a new scrip. He's been wearing bifocals since age 9 and his life has changed. He's a top reader, no more headaches, no more temper tantrums over reading and he reads himself to sleep every night.

    I trust my optometrist for my prescriptions and my eye doctor for other issues.
  16. emotionallybankrupt

    emotionallybankrupt New Member

    That looks great! I wondered if they REALLY got as dark as sunglasses. I'd say that's about as good as it gets! And, yes. Nice piercing! I'd never have the guts to do that.... That's really funny as I think about it. I've actually stood in the middle of the road in front of my house in pajamas and robe, stopping traffic in order to get full information on all occupants of a vehicle difficult child got into, but I don't have the guts for a body piercing....
  17. Mamaof5

    Mamaof5 Guest

    I have three tatts and two piercings. One tatt is on my left leg (knee to ankle), one is from top of left should down to bottom of rib cage on my back and the other I posted here which is on my chest between the breasts. My two piercings are the nose (which you saw) and my tongue. I do have ear piercings (two in each) but after having kids that pulled on them I took them out and haven't worn them in almost 10 years.

    I'm going for my COBM tatt (church of body mod) and my ahnk tatt as well soon. I'll be doing a cover up of the one on my back with a full back piece as well by next summer. I have many planned including across the ribs of my wolves tatt I drew myself.

    It's really not that bad, I swear. Piercings are less painful than tatts (depending on where you are tattooing) and I don't find either all that painful in all honesty. Despite the fibro and myofascal syndrome I find tattooing and piercings soothing, particularly the tatts though. The vibrations of the tatt gun are a trip (not in a bad way). It depends on the person though.

    Tough mama to stand in the middle of a highway and get info, I don't think I'd be able to do that personally. Too many crazy T.O. drivers even here in the North (they retire here and visit here). As for the glasses, they really are helpful. I'm just glad I could pass the info along to you. They were a saving grace for me, I hope they can do the same for you!!
  18. Marguerite

    Marguerite Active Member

    That's why I no longer use the expensive specialist "just" for my glasses prescription. i've had better accuracy and results from the bulk-billing optometrist.

    However - when it comes to eye care, and especially issues concerning my retina, I'm seeing the best. But no longer my previous, highly regarded and very expensive eye specialist. Yes, I liked him, but I hated the very long waits in overcrowded waiting rooms plus the increasingly frequent mistakes he was making in my prescription, without admitting to it being his mistake.

    At my new and top market eye specialist (the retina people) I am VERY happy with how they do things. No more the ridiculous long waits, just as long as it's needed. I arrive, and I'm seen by a junior colleague who does the basic stuff, takes a history, has a look in my eyes, checks pressures (for glaucoma) and when it needed to be done, set up the peripheral vision testing. Then this person put the drops in my eyes. All this is done while we wait for the Big Man.
    By the time the eye doctor is ready for me, my eyes have dilated nicely and he has a good look inside.

    I was warned the appointment would take 90 minutes (still a great improvement on the previous specialist who sometimes took three hours, most of which I was waiting outside). But actually both times I have been to the new specialist, I have been out of there in under and hour, with a more thorough eye check than I've ever had.

    Meanwhile I've been trying to see my optometrist for my glasses prescription. But to his credit, the optometrist actually cancelled my appointment and said, "We need to wait until this retina problem has settled down."

    I also grew up with the idea that the top specialist was the only one to treat my eyes. However, my experience has taught me that I'm now getting much better eye care (including some highly specialised care) than I ever got with my previous specialist.

    Transitions lenses - I've had them before, I've since chosen to not have them. But I would happily recommend them for anyone who wants protection from glare. They do get very dark, very quickly. My main problem with transitions lenses was the appearance of them in photos - I was bridesmaid for sis-in-law and in the photos outside the church, my glasses looked wrong. Since then I've been using pop-over sunglasses, over my normal prescription glasses.

    A lot of my eye problems now (including the retina issues) are due to the long eyeball. It stretches the retina to tearing point and at some point, the vitreous humor lets go and risks tearing the retina. My optometrist has been monitoring this and every so often has referred me to an eye specialist (including my previous 'expert' at my request who has turned out to be a turkey). I choose now to go to the eye specialist my optometrist suggests, and he has never steered me wrong.

    EB, the way your eye doctor manages his practice should still be OK< but the results are what shows whether it's working right or not. And if the eye doctor got your prescription wrong, then it is his responsibility to fix it.

    A suggestion for the future - always keep your old lenses and where possible, keep an old pair of glasses. Whenever you can, get replacement lenses put in cheap specs so you always have something you can wear in the event of, say, breakage. Another option for emergencies is contact lenses. I've had to resort to contact lenses to get me through a time while I wait for specs to be repaired/replaced.

    I'm seeing my new eye specialist again tomorrow - it's my two week check-up after the torn retina scare. I'm really impressed with this practice.

  19. susiestar

    susiestar Roll With It

    It never occurred to me to leave my glasses at the glasses place. I have had optometrists and opthalmologists who were awesome and who were awful. As with anything else it largely depends on the individual and what you need.

    My boys are incredibly hard on glasses. thank you has been harder than husband and Wiz combined! We have a place called Eyemart and they usually will do 2 pair for about $175, so we do that for the kids. That way if one pair gets scratched, bent or falls apart they can wear the other pair. I keep the previous year's glasses (both pair) just in case. thank you wants to use the same frames this coming year, which might actually work. Most of his problems this year have been caused by screwdrivers. He saw them adjusting and tightening them and keeps wanting to try to do that to his own. I now have about a dozen screws for each of his pairs of glasses - I bought them from the glasses place because thank you was driving me nuts.

    Other than keeping a spare pair, I donate old glasses to some club here that sends them to other countries.

    Has anyone seen the new liquid filled universal glasses? An inventor came up with lenses that you can make fit any prescription by adjusting the amount of liquid in them. A group of scientists (in Massachusetts, I think) had developed a cell phone app and a little plastic device that gives very accurate measurements for glasses prescriptions. The plastic thingy goes onto the cell phone then the patient looks through the gizmo and lines up markers using the phone controls. The program translates this into an eyeglass prescription. This new technology is supposed to be as accurate or more accurate as a professional eye exam!

    These are being developed because most of the world needs glasses. In many countries there are hundreds of thousands of people for each optometrist and glasses can be phenomenally expensive relative to the average income. With this technology it is possible to get eye exams and glasses to areas that currently have no hope for ever getting glasses.

    (Simple Attachment for Cell Phone Provides Cheap, Fast Eye Exam:

    (Josh Silver Demos Adjustable Liquid-Filled Eyeglasses (video):

    The glasses may not be the most "fashionable" but I bet a whole lot of people could care less if they get to see clearly. Can you imagine trying to raise a child in a Third World country if you could not see? I cannot even pour a glass of milk or safely walk across a room, much less work any kind of job or keep a child safe with-o my glasses. Many of the factories where our clothing and other consumer goods are made are in these very impoverished countries. A significant number of the people who work in these factories likely do not have glasses but need them. Imagine the accidents and injuries they suffer because even if they could afford glasses the number of optometrists is so low that they likely could not get an exam. I hope that both of these technologies can be implemented on a very large scale in the very near future.
  20. Lothlorien

    Lothlorien Active Member Staff Member

    Had that happen to me once, as well. They turned the lense wrong and my eye hurt badly. Fortunately, I just had to go back and they put a new lense in, properly cut, and I walked out within an hour.

    Can you wear contacts? Can they give you a few trial pairs to get you through a few weeks? After all, it was their fault. If you can't see for two weeks, that is a major inconvenience. They should have offered to expedite the order or something. How ridiculous.