RE: Pedoc vent. New weird behaviors! Help!!!!

Discussion in 'General Parenting' started by almostcrazy, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. almostcrazy

    almostcrazy New Member

    Does anyone's child do and/or say weird things? I can't even come up with a response to some of the things she is saying anymore. She makes up her own words sometimes. She says things like I need to chew my gum so I can sniff out the bad guys? I am spying on the man in the blue coat, he stole my toy. Everytime I look at someone,s belly I think they are pregnant.
    When we go out together anymore she acts so geared up, and she starts justs rambling about the strangest things. Does this sound familar to anyone? She is very loud most of the time, but wants to come whisper things in my ear about people who are around us. She is not violent, and really never throws tantrums, but she does get angry easily. If you disagree with her, she thinks you are fighting. It seems like she changes to some degree everyday.

    We start our homeschooling year after Labor Day, and I am so worried about how that is going to go with all of the new problems. Wish me luck.

    Thanks to everyone for letting me vent about the pedoc. I know I can go somewhere else, but it is so frustrating to be treated like you are an idiot. What, like I don't have anything better to do with my day than to make up things about my child. I just woke up one morning and decided I would stop doing everything I usually do, and invent a problem with my little girl.

    I am going to see the psychiatrist on Wednesday, and go from there. Hopefully, he is a good enough doctor that he came give me more information.

    Hope everyone is well. My Best to you all.
  2. flutterbee

    flutterbee Guest

    No expert here, but two things come to mind: psychosis or tourettes. I could be way out in left field, though.

    I'm glad you see the psychiatrist on Wednesday. If she should happen to become violent, I would take her to the ER of your local children's hospital that has a psychiatric unit. Keep a journal of everthing she says/does.
  3. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    Travis comes up with off the wall things like that at times. We've never really figured out where it comes from. It seems to come and go in bursts.

    I've gotten doctor referrals from psychiatrists before, also got blood workups done on Nichole I couldn't get thru the pediatrician doctor. If you get one who listens, they usually don't have a problem with covering all the bases.

    I lost count long ago of how many docs and specialists we saw during the process of getting Travis diagnosed. Believe me, no one should have to go thru it. But I learned along the way that I wasn't by far the only one.

    Saying prayers, keeping body parts crossed, and holding good thoughts psychiatrist listens and picks up the ball.

  4. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member

    When you say she is rambling about the strangest things...what do you mean?

    Some of what you say as far as talking about chewing her gum so she can sniff out the bad guys almost sounds like kinda normal six year old stuff if she is playing like she is a detective or something. Maybe she has heard something on tv and gotten something backwards. The spying and sniffing out the bad guys almost sounds like she has a penchant for that sort of thing.

    There used to be some very young story books about mysteries...they were a series. I cannot for the life of me remember the name but I bet if you asked in the book store they would know what I was talking about. I think they were for like first or second graders. They were whodunits. The kids solved little mysteries. I think one little boy had his own detective agency or something. I bet she would like those books.
  5. smallworld

    smallworld Moderator

    This sounds like delusional and/or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) thinking to me. Chewing her gum so she can sniff out the bad guys could be a compulsion related to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) (she needs to chew gum so she can find bad guys). When she said she was spying on the man in the blue coat who stole her toy, was there actually a man there, or did she see something that wasn't there at all? If the latter, she could be having delusions/hallucinations.

    I strongly recommend you keep good notes on everything she is saying and doing. Present the written record to the psychiatrist when you see him. This will help him make an accurate diagnosis and get her the help she needs.

    Good luck.
  6. busywend

    busywend Well-Known Member

    Frankly, it sounds like normal creative play to me.

    I,too, was wondering if there really was a man in a blue coat when she said it.

  7. Janna

    Janna New Member

    Personally, I would just keep notes and track stuff with a good psychiatrist. I say that because, she's only 5, and really, I'm siding more with Janet and Wendy here, that it could be imaginary play or whatever. Something from TV, something from a movie. I dunno.

    Dylan rambles alot and spouts off weird stuff. During orientation at the Residential Treatment Facility (RTF) they were speaking about feelings and he blurted out something about the TV show Fear Factor LOL! Everyone looked at him like, "huh"? Those types of things are impulsivity, and probably some of the mania, where he just has something on his mind, and he has to get it out, immediately LOL!

    When she starts talking like this, do you engage in the conversation with her? Ask questions? The man in the blue coat ~ where? When? What did he say?

    I would. All 3 of my kids tell stories. I always engage to make sure they're not losing marbles.

    Can I also advise, I wouldn't go into psychiatrist with guns blazing looking for immediate answers. Something like this probably just needs to be watched. You don't know if there's a problem yet. And neither will the psychiatrist on the first visit.

    We met with Dylan's psychiatrist several times before even thinking about diagnosis. That's what a good psychiatrist does.
  8. Sara PA

    Sara PA New Member

    Talking for the sake of talking? Maybe a touch of hypomania or lack of impulse controll? Some kids can't seem to not say every thought that comes into their minds. Think of yourself....if you said outloud every thought that came into your mind would you sound a tad off? But as adults, we have the ability to control that. Her frontal lobe may be a bit underdeveloped yet?
  9. ML

    ML Guest

    If she watches any tv that's my instinct. My difficult child would say the oddest things and would have me concerned... then within days or weeks I'd hear the same thing on TV. Funny thing is that most of the time it was in context. My husband is from Topeka and he'd spout "it's HOT in Topeka" over and over to him. One day I heard it on one of the cartoons lol. I would just take notes and watch her but at this point I wouldn't jump to conclusions.
  10. Big Bad Kitty

    Big Bad Kitty lolcat

    In reading the responses, I'm seeing 2 schools of thought:

    ~take notes, could be tourettes/psychosis/delusions/hallucinations

    ~imaginitive play

    It really could be either one! Do you interact with her when she says things like that? I mean, does she *know* she is teasing? Tink says things like that ALL. THE. TIME. This napkin is really a cape. There are no boys in the world, only girls. If she shakes this toy outside, the rain will stop. But if I look at her and go "ahhhhh.." (like oh, you silly goose) she will laugh.

    It is very common with no siblings to play with, by the way.
  11. smallworld

    smallworld Moderator

    Because there was a sudden change in this child's behavior, I think it should be taken very seriously. Which this mom is, because the girl has an appointment with a child psychiatrist.
  12. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member

    I didnt say not to take it seriously. I also asked what she meant by rambling about the strangest things. The reason I asked that question was to find out if she meant that the little girl was performing a behavior that I have noticed is pretty classic with bipolar people...starting to talk in the middle of a conversation that they are thinking of in their minds.

    I do it, I have talked to countless people with bipolar who do it and tons of parents with BiPolar (BP) kids who do it. It drives people I can be thinking about a whole ton of stuff in my brain and having a real good conversation going and just start talking in the middle of it and no one around me has a clue what Im talking about but I cant figure out why they are looking at me like I have 3 heads!

    Its almost as hard to deal with as racing thoughts.
  13. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    Yep. I drive people crazy when I start sentences or conversations in the middle instead of at the beginning. lol But what really drives them nuts is when you can have to or three conversations at once. lmao (my friend who also bipolar and I do this when we talk)

    I'd keep notes about the behaviors your seeing. A really good doctor is going to weed thru alot of the age appropriate creative type playing stuff.

    Because it's new behavior your seeing, I'd be hesitant to leave any new stuff you see out. I like to give docs a broad picture to help them see what I see.

  14. Janna

    Janna New Member

    Not to be a jerk, here, because I'm sure it's gonna come off that way, so pardon me.

    I don't think anyone was saying that she should not take it seriously. I think what some of us (or at least I) was saying is, SOME OF IT COULD POSSIBLY be normal imaginary play. You know, not EVERYTHING needs a diagnosis, and that she should WATCH, MONITOR, and keep an eye on her difficult child and discuss these things with her psychiatrist.

    And really, Smallworld, you should go back and read your post. I mean, you all but diagnosed this kid delusional and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), and truly, if I was a first time parent here and this was my post, you would have scared me into next week over something that you really have no idea about, nor the degree to make the suggestion.
  15. almostcrazy

    almostcrazy New Member

    Hello everyone,

    I just wanted to let everyone know that I appreciate the input. I have been really looking at all of difficult child's behaviors pretty closely, because of the overnight change in her behaviors. For those who aren't up to date she went to sleep fine and woke up the next day with the following: Compulsion to tell everything, refusing to call me Mom, her father Dad, she uses intials only, She won't say I Love You or hug or kiss, she repeats phrases "forget I said that", or I don't know if I did that on purpose" after about everything she says, she doesn't seem to be sure of anything, she is contantly talking about having babies, and being pregnant, seems to want to annoy, laughs when she shouldn't, seems extremely hyper, has bad thoughts and curse words in her head, this is just a few of the most evident behaviors.

    She has always had a very active imagination, but it just seems a little more strange now. There was no man in a blue coat, but she says she was just making it up. When she is in the car with me, and she will be talking, sometimes it's almost to herself, and she will say I think I said, I mean, I don't know, forget I said that. When I try to talk to her she says she just has to say those things. She says she does not hear voices, it's just thoughts.

    I have researched, read books, talk to doctors, nurses, you name it. I have thought of all the worst things it could be, so believe me you won't scare me. I was just hoping that it would ring a bell with someone. Her behavior is just strange, and so is her thinking at this point. Her pediatrician didn't seem all that upset about the list I gave him, and it was pretty extensive.

    As I said we have an appointment on Wednesday, and I am hopful of a better diagnosis. I am going to get neuro work done somehow, and hopefully get to what started all this, and why so suddenly.

    When I look at the symtoms of all the types of things she could have, its seems to lean toward Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), ACHD, Depression, and a few other traits not associated with these. My first thought with the sudden onset was something medical: stroke, seizure, brain infection, but pediatrician doesn't feel that way. He says there would be other physical symtoms.

    My best to you all. You are a great group of people, and I am grateful that you are here to offer support. Any and all advice is welcome, and I hope I can offer the same to you.
  16. SomewhereOutThere

    SomewhereOutThere Well-Known Member

    I think it sounds more like some sort of hallucinations. Maybe you should ask her if she sometimes hears voices in her head. I would take this extremely seriously because I've learned that, in my opinion, it's better to be safe than to be sorry. My son was terribly misdiagnosed. However, I doubt anyone can tell you if it's ADHD, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), bipolar, schizophrenia, autism, Tourettes, etc. Even a professional may need some time to sort it out, but you're taking the first right step. This behavior is so strange and so sudden that we, as moms, really are just guessing.