One of the moms here suggested telling my difficult child to say something over again if he's too loud or obnoxious... I tried it last night and it worked. Doesn't mean it will always work, but the first time worked like a charm. Also, now I prepare myself with-the word NO, so that no matter how hard he asks, I start out with-that, and then set conditions where he can earn something. I used to waffle and think aloud, and that was a huge mistake. He took it for weakness. I just wanted to say thank you all for being here! Two more mo's til he's tested for Asperberger's... The kids are on winter break all next wk. Part of that will be spent flying out of state to my f-i-l mem. svc. I'm sure I will check the board for help while I'm there!