I was always shocked at the lies and manipulation these addicts do. After reading all these posts, im not anymore. I dont believe anything my son says now, and if he yells, oh so you dont believe me, i say no i dont. I dont care if hes hurt by it anymore. Hes trying to guilt trip me. Until hes sober and a deceit person for many years, he will have to prove everything he says to me. Trust is gone.