He said this last month while I was down there for Family Session. It was on a 10 minute 'break' that the addict therapist/session moderator gave us. We went out a side door so he could smoke a cigarette with another peer (he was 21) who was in the residential facility with him, and his sweet mom was also there, for FS. My son brought up how easy it is to 'find yourself in a mental hole or pit'. Quickly, they both were sharing stories of their own personal experiences of 'being down in the hole'. They agreed that negative or certain 'music', (Slayer is one example, it's awful, awful!) can facilitate sending them there and also that if down in the hole, that that same music can help to 'keep' them there. They said if they find themselves 'falling in to the ditch', if they do not attempt to get out very quickly, they will get sucked down further. Quickly. They said that if they do not have the motivation or desire to 'get out', they can easily get 'stuck' there. The other guy said that when he relapses, it's due to being stuck down in the hole and unable to get out. They both agreed that it can become very 'comfortable' down in this hole, to where they do not even want or care to 'get out'. So they stay for awhile. I would think it's because it's an 'escape' from all reality. A cop-out to life. I think we could equate this 'hole' with 'depression'. I do not know how this hole feels, I am not a person who's really ever been depressed other than during my last pregnancy, for a little bit. But, it lifted quickly. I would think it would be hard to get out of the hole, once comfortable there. Especially if using drugs, drinking, weed or taking benzos. My input at the time, was that whenever they 'felt themselves sinking, that they needed to do something to keep them busy, fill up their schedule, preoccupy their minds, listen to upbeat music'. To keep as far away from that hole as possible. I also took that opportunity to reiterate to my son, while the other 21yo was there admitting that music contributed to the negative feeling/falling in to the hole, why, for the past several years, I have been on and off begging him to STOP listening to that crap! Slayer, Korn, etc. UGH! The lyrics in and of themselves are just full of anger, negativity and downer. Any thoughts on this? I think many addicts would agree with my son's verbiage about this elusive (to me) 'hole' which sucks them in, and then keeps them stuck for days, months, years.... It was very interesting hearing them describe this experience. It also made me sad for them.